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Bespoke and bespoke experience are entirely different things then.Originally Posted by mrchapel
nicely put. agree with that totally.
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Bespoke and bespoke experience are entirely different things then.Originally Posted by mrchapel
So, after thinking about it, based on Baron Boutique's reply and the definition of bespoke, they are making bespoke suits.Originally Posted by mrchapel
Ok now I'm definitely boycotting this thread. My eyes hurt and I want to weep when I read thisOriginally Posted by gdl203
Boycott all you want; just because it expresses a different view then yours. Nice. Anyway, I hold my position. If someone tells me they make their suits without a pre-existing pattern, then, by DEFINITION, it is bespoke. But I regress, no need to repeat what I already wrote. Your interpretation is your own.Originally Posted by mrchapel
Originally Posted by Get Smart
Bespoke and bespoke experience are entirely different things then.Originally Posted by mrchapel
If a pattern is drafted in the forest, but no one is around to see it, is it bespoke?Originally Posted by Manton
That's not nicely put. It's a complete rationalization of an indefensible position. I agree with gdl that this has gotten ridiculous. You are mailing a fixed set of measurements to someone who will construct a suit that differs from a stock pattern only in the dimensions specified by your measurements. That's the precise definition of MTM regardless of any emails you may have. Why don't you email them and ask if their work is the equivalent of Savile Row or Italy? What do you think they will say? At what point will you concede that they're producing nothing other than a low-quality garment? I have a couple jackets from one of the asian MTM-by-mail outfits. The fabric, trimmings, and construction are barely the equal of the poorest RTW and I'm being generous there. Those jackets are useful only for keeping spilt beer off my shirts when I go out. To describe them in any other way is to do a disservice to other forum members.Originally Posted by dah328
That's not nicely put. It's a complete rationalization of an indefensible position. I agree with gdl that this has gotten ridiculous. You are mailing a fixed set of measurements to someone who will construct a suit that differs from a stock pattern only in the dimensions specified by your measurements. That's the precise definition of MTM regardless of any emails you may have. Why don't you email them and ask if their work is the equivalent of Savile Row or Italy? What do you think they will say? At what point will you concede that they're producing nothing other than a low-quality garment? I have a couple jackets from one of the asian MTM-by-mail outfits. The fabric, trimmings, and construction are barely the equal of the poorest RTW and I'm being generous there. Those jackets are useful only for keeping spilt beer off my shirts when I go out. To describe them in any other way is to do a disservice to other forum members.Originally Posted by dah328
The whole point of an individual pattern is that any and all of its measurements and dimensions can be sized appropriately for the customer. Since you are sending in a fixed number of measurements in this case, only those particular measurements can be adjusted. That is MTM. I do not know why that is so hard to understand.Originally Posted by dah328
I had the pleasure of meeting tailor Leonard Logsdail at Sartorial Excellence. I noted to Mr. Logsdail that many tailors who take measurements subcontract the cutting of the suit to other tailors, and asked him if taking measurements is the most important part of making a bespoke suit. He replied no, the most important aspect of making a bespoke suit is taking into account all the client's eccentricities -- e.g., does he stand with a slight slouch, does one shoulder dip slightly below the other, etc. These are things that don't come across in cold numbers.Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser