MC General Chat

[ppk]

buddha said take the middle road 👍

The Buddha is right on so many things.

 

[smittycl]

From what I've read, ties are longer because low-rise trousers are popular. Therefore, to match the lower trousers, ties have lengthened.

I like ties that touch the belt, but modern ties are ridiculous. Shortening the tie (by lengthening the thin side) results in big fat knots, which I don't like.

I've started buying vintage ties which work well.

OTOH, this looks ridiculous too, in my eyes.

Some companies like H.N. White and Shibumi Firenze offer wider or longer ties.

 

[DorianGreen]

From what I've read, ties are longer because low-rise trousers are popular. Therefore, to match the lower trousers, ties have lengthened.

I like ties that touch the belt, but modern ties are ridiculous. Shortening the tie (by lengthening the thin side) results in big fat knots, which I don't like.

I've started buying vintage ties which work well.

OTOH, this looks ridiculous too, in my eyes.

It looks ridiculous to you because your eyes have accustomed to overly long ties, ubiquitous in these days. My point is to know when and why the length was canonised to be at the trousers belt, as, it's clear in that picture, it wasn't always so. In many movies and pictures you will also see that until the 70s the length was definitely shorter.

 

[smittycl]

It looks ridiculous to you because your eyes have accustomed to overly long ties, ubiquitous in these days. My point is to know when and why the length was canonised to be at the trousers belt, as, it's clear in that picture, it wasn't always so. In many movies and pictures you will also see that until the 70s the length was definitely shorter.

I think ties like that were from the Golden Age when men were not supposed to remove their jackets.

 

[clee1982]

I wouldn't call it golden age consider how hot summer can get..., but yes, without ever having to remove jacket tie can be much shorter for sure

 

[ppk]

It looks ridiculous to you because your eyes have accustomed to overly long ties, ubiquitous in these days. My point is to know when and why the length was canonised to be at the trousers belt, as, it's clear in that picture, it wasn't always so. In many movies and pictures you will also see that until the 70s the length was definitely shorter.

Fair. If he were wearing a jacket, I probably couldn't tell how short it is.

 

[Corson]

My point is to know when and why the length was canonised to be at the trousers belt, as, it's clear in that picture, it wasn't always so.

By the 1920s the "high fashion" was still proposing short ties in the catalogues, something like the ascots, they went well with the 3 pieces suits which were the norm. But after WWI, the increasing democratisation of the urban suit and the still lacking fine cloth produced in insufficient quantities by the post-war textile industry, drove the fashion more towards the single breasted and 2 piece suits. This meant the ties grew to cover the un-dignified shirts, which were considered undergarments. By the 1930s ties grew settling between the sternum and the belly-button. By 1936 the belly-warmer ties appeared, which became norm for the fashion-forward youth in the 1940s, as seen in the zuit suit fashion movement. The ties grew decade after decade, with variations of course for social strata and age. In the 1970s the tip of the ties was nearing the belt. My first tie in 1983 was a knit tie which barely touched the belt. When I made my first suit, in 1988, the tip of the tie had to be on the belt.

 

[LJ1891]

Fair. If he were wearing a jacket, I probably couldn't tell how short it is.

would look crazy if they unbuttoned the jacket though lol could you imagine how funny that would look…unbuttoned jacket, a super short tie and low rise trousers 😕 it’s giving me anxiety trying to visualize it.

 

[LJ1891]

to be honest, this is always pretty scary…for a few different reasons.

 

[breakaway01]

would look crazy if they unbuttoned the jacket though lol could you imagine how funny that would look…unbuttoned jacket, a super short tie and low rise trousers 😕 it’s giving me anxiety trying to visualize it.

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This is why I have to laugh when people insist on SF that there is such a thing as a “timeless” or “classic” style

 

[LJ1891]

that’s better

 

[othertravel]

This makes perfect sense! I saw a bunch of NOS ties from the 80s on ebay that were 55' in length. Trousers were worn much higher back then.

 

[emptym]

1970s seems late to me. Civil rights march pics from the 60s show ties at the belt.

 

[TheSuitBurnsBetter]

Can I ask for some sizing thoughts from people? I bought this camelhair cardigan from eHaberdasher in size small.

I was originally thinking an XS would fit better but that was sold out so I told myself a longer roomier fit would work better for this style. I love the cardigan (pretty sure it's made by William Lockie) but am wondering if it's way too big.

 

[othertravel]

Can I ask for some sizing thoughts from people? I bought this camelhair cardigan from eHaberdasher in size small.
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I was originally thinking an XS would fit better but that was sold out so I told myself a longer roomier fit would work better for this style. I love the cardigan (pretty sure it's made by William Lockie) but am wondering if it's way too big.

It's actually not bad. A little slouchy, but it works with a garment like that.