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I think I can say it was me who started the downfall of Renovateur and caused a shitstorm on here. Do a search, you'll see.
I used it regularly on a rotation of shoes years ago and they all ended up cracked and in the garbage. My older shoes that only got Lexol treatments years before Reno was ever available lasted far longer and took far more abuse. In general you just have to use your own judgement and a bit of logic to tell what a product is doing. Reno might have conditioning oils it in, but it is largely a beeswax based product. When you buff it, it shines. I just feel it is more of a polish than anything else. It doesn't sink into the leather and penetrate the finish like a conditioner should. It sits on top and buffs shiny. If it was penetrating it would disrupt the finish to a degree. Also, too much wax and oil on shoes attracts dirt and dust which act like sandpaper in the creases. Furthermore if you are stripping your shoes and adding straight oils to your shoes over saturating the fibers the fibers turn into a wet rag. Think of how easy cardboard is to rip when wet. Same thing for leather. I've had far better results using lighter conditioners less frequently that actually sink into the leather. This is why I have developed a preference for emulsified conditioners. Because of the water content it is hard to over apply them because the water will fill the pores of the leather along with the oils and the water will evaporate out leaving behind the oil. I also have developed somewhat of a preference for synthetics like Lexol, or engineered products like Leather Doctor. Lexol is synthetic and it won't oxidize and cause problems, Leather Doctor's products evaporate out where oxidation isn't an issue either.
Most of these fancy products are for people to use and see some sort of immediate result. Wow! Look how shiny these are that must mean they are clean and moisturized! No, it doesn't, it means you shined them with beeswax.
This isn't to say that there aren't applications for these products. If you maintain a mirror shine on the toe and heels of your shoes a dab of reno literally the third of a size of a pea swirled on the mirror shined area and buffed will bring back an excellent shine in between full polishing sessions. Also, Saphir polish in general I find to be very good. I think they impart the nicest pigmentation out of what I have used.
I know it is shameless self promotion, but No Man Walks Alone is an affiliate and I love them so I guess it is ok... I think some newbies to shoe care should read my series of posts at the No Man Walks Alone tumblr page. The good thing about them is I just write logical things based on my experience and it is totally product neutral so using the logic you can make up your mind on what products you would like to use. Links here:
http://nomanwalksalone.tumblr.com/p...asics-of-leather-shoe-care-by-patrick-booth-i
http://nomanwalksalone.tumblr.com/post/122282765206/how-leather-is-made-and-why-it-is-important-by
http://nomanwalksalone.tumblr.com/post/123043694126/bad-things-happen-to-good-shoes-part-1-by
http://nomanwalksalone.tumblr.com/post/123474684001/bad-things-happen-to-good-shoes-part-2-by
Like I said, it is product neutral.
Part of the problem is Saphir's unwillingness to talk about their products openly and offer anything technical. Even their own website has incorrect information on their products and emailing them is useless.
All I know is, I'm glad I'm out of the shoe care product business.
I do think some of the issues involved over use from the customer side, but mostly I think Saphir has become a bit of a victim of over selling by certain online retailers.
I certainly couldn't control them........nobody wanted to listen to me re: the technical side.
I think they should at least offer up "how to" articles and such. Even if they don't release every ingredient, what to use when is very helpful. Also, why is their product superior to others other than they say so?
I was seeing on some online retailers pictures of oil smears on a piece of paper. Look at how renovateur made a bigger oil stain on this piece of paper than our competitors! Ok, but leather isn't a piece of paper, why is a larger oil stain beneficial? It just got to the point where it was silly. Especially for the 3000 steps to keep your shoes in tip top shape.
I think they should at least offer up "how to" articles and such. Even if they don't release every ingredient, what to use when is very helpful. Also, why is their product superior to others other than they say so?
I was seeing on some online retailers pictures of oil smears on a piece of paper. Look at how renovateur made a bigger oil stain on this piece of paper than our competitors! Ok, but leather isn't a piece of paper, why is a larger oil stain beneficial? It just got to the point where it was silly. Especially for the 3000 steps to keep your shoes in tip top shape.
First I am seeing of this.