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[CASCAIS]

Must be some creative genius to make left and right shoes different.

More pictures of his bespoke work please if you want to praise its his 'asymmetric' design. We can turn this into a NV bespoke critique thread.

Next up, 'its the angle of photo taken problem', not his work!

Sorry, but I don´t get why you say that left and right shoes are different as a consequence of a bad work... Didn´t see it in any picture. However he has done, indeed, pairs of shoes in which the design differs from one shoe to the other (diferent medallions, etc.). Again, that´s the client request...

About the assymetric design, take a look to his shoes back parts. You will find it easily. Take any interview of Vilalta or check his website. He himself talks about assymetric designs on his shoes...

 

[Verrihappy]

Great apologia.So now it's his house style, not the angle the picture is taken.
So odd sized shoes, in your twisted logic, are acceptable too, because that's how the GREAT MASTER want them to be.

 

[Verrihappy]



Same design of the laces holes in these RTW oxfords. It is obvius that it is a design issue. Unless that eveyone at his factory and he himself make allways the same mistake.

Or just too lazy to correct shoddiness. Btw, the picture doesn't show any pair of shoes.

 

[CASCAIS]

Great apologia.So now it's his house style, not the angle the picture is taken.
So odd sized shoes, in your twisted logic, are acceptable too, because that's how the GREAT MASTER want them to be.

Did I say something about the angle of the picture?

What are you talking about?

 

[CASCAIS]

Or just too lazy to correct shoddiness.
Btw, the picture doesn't show any pair of shoes.

???????

 

[Verrihappy]



If the client wants to paid it, yes, I guess. In bespoke, specially for more creative artisans, I would talk better of "value" than of price. I love motorbikes and cars. I had some customized motorbikes. Price? High, according to my wife. But value? It worth it, as enjoy them every single day.

However, in a picture you can see the superficial issues, not the construction. I think that in Bespoke you pay part for the bespoke construction itself and part for the design, and something good about Norman Vilalta is that he will make whatever you want in the best way possible. That means that, sometimes, there is a big work of designing behind. That´s probably the reason for spending more hours in every par of shoes.

Regarding the holes, take a look to his PaP. They have the same placing. It looks part of his design. But again, it is a matter of taste.

The left shoe first hole looks out of place, but it is because of the picture. I saw another pic in the net of the same pair and they are in the right place.

please read your own last paragraph.

 

[CASCAIS]

please read your own last paragraph.

Read the paragraph again (I don´t mention any angle; I thought you would perfectly understand that it was a matter of the position of each of the shoes to each other - they are not paired -); and read it jointly with the previous paragraph. No sense in giving two different reasons for the same issue in the same post... You know perfectly what I was trying to explain and what I was reffering to. My english is not that bad. I talked about that as a design issue from the very begining.

And I don´t need to give excuses for somebody else´s work...

 

[MrTRC]

Interesting thread.

 

[chogall]

It's definitely misaligned and not by asymmetrical design as the rest of the shoes are all symmetrical between both shoes. It seems like his customers or fans at leastin this thread are somewhat oblivious to details.

So far there doesn't seem to be enough evidence of distinctly Spanish origin bespoke shoes. British, French, Italian, and Japanese shoemakers have some quite distinct styles developed over the years from customer demands even with simple plain black cap toe or dark brown wingtip brogues.

All those fancy patterning and coloring are distraction from the underlying essence.

 

[ThunderMarch]

Thus, you are wrong for classifying Vass's MTM not bespoke. Because there are makers who call bespoke shoes MTM.

I don't speak Italian, but AFAIK, the Italian term for bespoke is su misura, or to-measure in English. That is MTM.

Gotta respect the nuances in languages and translations as not everyone is speaking American/British style English.

Vass themselves call their service MTM, not bespoke. This is from direct email correspondence with them. And based on their OWN description of their process and the widely accepted definitions of what bespoke shoemaking is, Vass is MTM.

So please, do not take liberties in saying what you feel I have said wrong or right.

 

[chogall]

Vass themselves call their service MTM, not bespoke. This is from direct email correspondence with them. And based on their OWN description of their process and the widely accepted definitions of what bespoke shoemaking is, Vass is MTM.

So please, do not take liberties in saying what you feel I have said wrong or right.

As I said before, there are nuances in languages that might not lost in translation.

Even you have previously agreed that you cannot draw a clear line between the blurred distinction between MTM and bespoke.

 

[MrTRC]

As I said before, there are nuances in languages that might not lost in translation.

Even you have previously agreed that you cannot draw a clear line between the blurred distinction between MTM and bespoke.

Firstly, i have no dog in this fracas.

Chogall, are you implicitly stating that the likes of Vass/ St.Crispin and even Jan Kielman is not MTM but bespoke? I was under the impression, nay educated even, that those two terms have very definite and distinct meanings.

 

[Guybo]

Vass themselves call their service MTM, not bespoke. This is from direct email correspondence with them. And based on their OWN description of their process and the widely accepted definitions of what bespoke shoemaking is, Vass is MTM.

So please, do not take liberties in saying what you feel I have said wrong or right.

There is another thread regarding this issue. A member that went into Vass was told that they don´t do other lasts that their own, modified, and that the uppers are those they offer. Thus, I think it shall qualify as MTM, and not bespoke.

 

[chogall]

Firstly, i have no dog in this fracas.

Chogall, are you implicitly stating that the likes of Vass/ St.Crispin and even Jan Kielman is not MTM but bespoke? I was under the impression, nay educated even, that those two terms have very definite and distinct meanings.

There is another thread regarding this issue. A member that went into Vass was told that they don´t do other lasts that their own, modified, and that the uppers are those they offer. Thus, I think it shall qualify as MTM, and not bespoke.

Dear newly created accounts/joined members, if you want to discuss these issues, visit this thread here http://www.styleforum.net/t/412909/shoemaking-techniques-and-traditions-these-foolish-things.

 

[Guybo]

Dear newly created accounts/joined members, if you want to discuss these issues, visit this thread here http://www.styleforum.net/t/412909/shoemaking-techniques-and-traditions-these-foolish-things.

Thank you, Chogall.