Best Tux Shirts?

[Teacher]

And if this is a surprise to anybody, I'm going to give him a fire belly like he's never had.

 

[grimslade]

Originally Posted by Manton

Sort of true, but it exposes the shallowness of your understanding.

Single cuffs are ALWAYS required on wing collar shirts, whether worn with white or black tie. These shirts are of course required with white tie, while only optional with black. Double cuffs are always incorrect with wing collars, and always incorrect with white tie.

Fascinating. Is there an explanation, historical or otherwise, for the link between single cuffs and wing collars?

All this time, I thought I was being transgressive wearing my single-cuff wing-collared shirt with PL tux and waistcoat. Turns out I was just following Manton's rules.

PS - All depth is on the surface, mofo.

 

[Manton]

Originally Posted by grimslade

Fascinating. Is there an explanation, historical or otherwise, for the link between single cuffs and wing collars?
Single cuffs are supposed to be very stiff, like the collar and the bib. The double cuff came to be as a softer compromise -- the two layers provide some heft, but overall the cuff is still much softer than an old fashioned stiff single link cuff.

PS - All depth is on the surface, mofo.

The surface is the core, jackass.

 

[okdc]

Originally Posted by Shirtmaven

there are Many options.
self pleat
swiss pleat
pique bibs.

French cuff or link cuff
wing collar or lay down collar. do not get a detachable collar

buy what you like that fits. In three years it will turn yellow and will never be white enough to wear again, so you will need a new shirt
Carl

This may the first time I have seen an attached wing collar advocated. Why are you in favor of them? They are certainly easier to find.

 

[YoungFogey]

^^ Have you ever tried to find someone in the western hemisphere who can either launder stiff collars or sell them in bulk? It's impossible. Even in England it's getting more difficult.

 

[RJman]

Originally Posted by YoungFogey

^^ Have you ever tried to find someone in the western hemisphere who can either launder stiff collars or sell them in bulk? It's impossible. Even in England it's getting more difficult.

I thought Luke Eyres sold them in bulk? Maybe also Ede & Ravenscroft.

 

[Sebastian]

I wear a formal shirt from vintageshirtcompany.co.uk.

Maybe not the best quality, but certainly not bad, at least I am satisfied. It was the only shirt I found with a heavily starched front and attachable collar.

So I wear it with both black and white tie (unfortunately for white tie there is only one occasion a year

). I have some turndown and wing collars from Luke Eyres and can therefor vary my looks.

Manton, would you consider it innappropriate to wear a peak lapel dinner jacket and waistcoat to the desribed shirt with a turndown collar?

 

[grimslade]

Originally Posted by Manton

The surface is the core, jackass.

The problem inherent in the surface of things, and only in the surface of things, is the heart of things. *****.

 

[Sebastian]

Originally Posted by grimslade

The problem inherent in the surface of things, and only in the surface of things, is the heart of things. *****.

You two love each other, don't you?

 

[Orsini]

Originally Posted by samba

...I despise those who wear a fold down collar with a bowtie (even though it is supposed to be the more modern look).
Introduced by The Duke.

 

[Orsini]

Originally Posted by Teacher

And if this is a surprise to anybody, I'm going to give him a fire belly like he's never had.
Well, at least it has a boutonnière...

 

[Cordovan]

Originally Posted by Shirtmaven

there are Many options.
self pleat
swiss pleat
pique bibs.

French cuff or link cuff
wing collar or lay down collar. do not get a detachable collar

Carl

What is a 'swiss pleat? And why do you recommend against getting a detachable collar?

Cordovan

 

[JibranK]

Originally Posted by samba

I got my classic tux shirt at paul stewart. It's perfect: slim fitting, with correct bib, NO pleats, wing tip collar, of course, french cuff. I despise those who wear a fold down collar with a bowtie (even though it is supposed to be the more modern look).
Apparently, you know little about the wearing of bow ties, then.

 

[YoungFogey]

Originally Posted by RJman

I thought Luke Eyres sold them in bulk? Maybe also Ede & Ravenscroft.

Luke Eyres does sell them in bulk, but they're not inexpensive. Nor are Luke Eyres' as nice as the old Theak ones, IMHO. I might pop into E&R and see what they're doing these days. My recollection was that their selection was rather slim, but they seem to have placed a lot of emphasis on formawear these days, so perhaps things have improved.

 

[RJman]

I believe E&R were also selling theirs online.

I have not looked into this very hard, as I don't wear stiff collars, but my impression is Luke Eyres was the cheapest of the lot.