*** Visvim thread: Dissertation on a Japanese Holy Spirit ***

[srh3161]

Serious question though, does anyone know of any other brands that does mud dye/mud wash on their garments?

beaugan, devadurga, filmelange, kuon, Andrew driftwood.

 

[dieworkwear]

beaugan, devadurga, filmelange, kuon, Andrew driftwood.

How do these hold up to sonic waves?

 

[pastrystar23]

How do these hold up to sonic waves?

I haven't had issues with the dye wearing away. even the hand printing and drawing hold up just fine.

 

[pastrystar23]

Honestly I have never seen someone so deep into some brand kool-aid.

Either way, natural dying is a staple in many parts of the world. I mean we have amazing Weaver's, dyers, and ect available in Mexico. If you look at the hashtag for texto indumentaria you'll find people like buaisou and other people who make garments using natural dyes/materials.

yeah, but it's not widely distributed. yes it's a staple and once you start making for retail numbers it gets very expensive to do if quality is the priority, Visvim's natural dye pieces are numbered, they only make so many of each color, the dye's Visvim sources are rare and hard to produce most are sourced from plants indigenous to Japan.

 

[pastrystar23]

Honestly I have never seen someone so deep into some brand kool-aid.

Either way, natural dying is a staple in many parts of the world. I mean we have amazing Weaver's, dyers, and ect available in Mexico. If you look at the hashtag for texto indumentaria you'll find people like buaisou and other people who make garments using natural dyes/materials.

I'm just stating facts. there's no reason whatsoever a Vetements DHL shirt should cost $1000. that's utter marketing BS. there's substance to what Visvim makes and that's why it's expensive. that's all I'm trying to get through to those new to the brand.

 

[Retlas]

Has anyone used Mr SampleKickz (Mr.SK) for proxy on vis? Looking to use his service.

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Also, For free edge and albacore shirts - if I’m a large in most of my things (XL depending on the brand) do I go with a 3 or 4?

I have used Mr SK a few times. He’s legit and always has his team at the front of the line for the newly released items.

 

[dieworkwear]

I haven't had issues with the dye wearing away. even the hand printing and drawing hold up just fine.

Have you tried a gentler process? Like softly singing at your garments until the dirt falls off?

 

[pastrystar23]

I don't know who else makes mud dyed items for the fashion market, but you can find mud dyed and mud cloth items in many African cultural stores and markets.

If you do a search on Etsy for "mud cloth," "mud paste," and "mud dyed," you can dig up thousands of items.

yeah, but it's not widely distributed. yes it's a staple and once you start making for retail numbers it gets very expensive to do if quality is the priority, Uniqlo won't be doing a natural vegetable dye capsule anytime soon.

 

[pastrystar23]

Have you tried a gentler process? Like softly singing at your garments until the dirt falls off?

sound waves are as gentle as you get. you think it's a joke, but the technology has been around for decades. sharp makes an ultrasonic pen that's great for getting out collar ring. it's kind of expensive though.

 

[pastrystar23]

I have used Mr SK a few times. He’s legit and always has his team at the front of the line for the newly released items.

yeah, they've always seemed legit, but damn; those prices....honestly if you're going to spend thousands, just buy a ticket to Tokyo whenever that becomes possible again (it'll probably be relatively cheap) and buy it in Japan. Visvim is so much cheaper there. then you have the second hand shops, which, let's face it are the real gold mine.

 

[dieworkwear]

sound waves are as gentle as you get. you think it's a joke, but the technology has been around for decades. sharp makes an ultrasonic pen that's great for getting out collar ring. it's kind of expensive though.

I'm familiar with sonic cleaning. I use fountain pens, and sometimes those require sonic cleaning. I just think you're a little far out there with your view of clothes.

Earlier you said Visvim "hand cobbles" (this is not a term, btw) their shoes like Lobb. Then later you said that Visvim doesn't have to make things to Savile Row standards (Savile Row doesn't make shoes, they make clothes. The shoemakers are in a different part of London). And in any case, Visvim doesn't "hand cobble" their shoes like Lobb. They seem to just sew the soles on by hand. From what I can tell, they don't handwelt their shoes. It's the welt that's important, not how the soles have been sewn on.

Then you said cochineal is some rare and expensive dye. You can buy cochineal dyes on Etsy for like $2/ ounce. Just put the bugs in a blender. My friend makes cochineal markers and sells them to hippie women for like $10 a pack.

Mud dye is not some crazy expensive thing either. You can find mud cloth and mud dyed fabrics at African markets.

Sea Island Cotton is nice, but you know, it's not gold. You can get SIC jersey cotton for like $25/ yard retail or $12.50/ yard wholesale. A fully bespoke SIC cotton dress shirt using DJA fabric -- one of the best mills for SIC -- is like $300.

You don't need to clean your clothes using sonic waves. And especially not clothes that are inspired by vintage clothing, militaria, and workwear. I don't know how you reconcile the idea that these clothes are made to exceptional standards, but somehow can't stand a run through a laundry machine.

Visvim is expensive because it's a cool fashion brand and people are willing to pay those prices. Hiroki is a cool looking dude. The clothes are well designed. They are also very hyped and bought by rich people, so they can price these as they do. But gimme a break about the construction methods. It's OK to buy expensive things because they make you excited.

 

[pastrystar23]

I'm familiar with sonic cleaning. I use fountain pens, and sometimes those require sonic cleaning. I just think you're a little far out there with your view of clothes.

Earlier you said Visvim "hand cobbles" (this is not a term, btw) their shoes like Lobb. Then later you said that Visvim doesn't have to make things to Savile Row standards (Savile Row doesn't make shoes, they make clothes. The shoemakers are in a different part of London). And in any case, Visvim doesn't "hand cobble" their shoes like Lobb. They seem to just sew the soles on by hand. From what I can tell, they don't handwelt their shoes. It's the welt that's important, not how the soles have been sewn on.

Then you said cochineal is some rare and expensive dye. You can buy cochineal dyes on Etsy for like $2/ ounce. Just put the bugs in a blender. My friend makes cochineal markers and sells them to hippie women for like $10 a pack.

Mud dye is not some crazy expensive thing either. You can find mud cloth and mud dyed fabrics at African markets.

Sea Island Cotton is nice, but you know, it's not gold. You can get SIC jersey cotton for like $25/ yard retail or $12.50/ yard wholesale. A fully bespoke SIC cotton dress shirt using DJA fabric -- one of the best mills for SIC -- is like $300.

You don't need to clean your clothes using sonic waves. And especially not clothes that are inspired by vintage clothing, militaria, and workwear. I don't know how you reconcile the idea that these clothes are made to exceptional standards, but somehow can't stand a run through a laundry machine.

Visvim is expensive because it's a cool fashion brand and people are willing to pay those prices. Hiroki is a cool looking dude. The clothes are well designed. They are also very hyped and bought by rich people, so they can price these as they do. But gimme a break about the construction methods. It's OK to buy expensive things because they make you excited.

again, you don't I get it, you're just caught on the price and this insistance that it's only expensive because it's purchased by "rich people". I understand, it's the same stale argument everyone else makes about the brand when they try to lump it up with every other fashion brand that relies mostly on marketing rather than adding actual value to their products. Your knowledge of the realities of this brand eludes you and many westerners that place value differently on certain things (namely "look at me" branding style). real cochinal dye is not $2 an ounce and the quality differs depending on where the beetles are harvested, whatever price for sea island cotton you're quoting is questionable. many people grow sea island cotton (Luxsic is sea island grown in new mexico), not all of it is actually grown in the carribean and that makes all the difference, that's why REAL sea island cotton pieces are registered, they have hologram tags with serial numbers issued by WISIC consortium. A brooks brothers sea island under shirt is $100. whatever you've seen is not real sea island, it's not wholesaled to just anyone.

again, tell me wheres the price justification for anything Vetements makes? all that is euro trash made by third parties in Romanian sweatshops staffed by migrant workers. Hiroki actually makes things in his house, along with skilled craftsman who have been doing it for generations and paying old Japanese people to work is expensive.

I've explained why Visvim is expensive with facts, you come back with "Visvim is expensive because it's purchased by rich people" Obviously you need to go to Japan. people there have way better taste and priority when it comes to things like fashion and food. Even the working poor have no problem shelling out $4k for a jacket, so no they aren't all "rich", Japan is still Visvim's biggest market because they know how to appreciate craftsmanship and have no problem paying for it. The brand could not have come from any other country or culture. It's the land that created "hype" even Pharrell found this to be true.

reactive mud dying requires a special kind of mud composition along with presoaking in a tannin solution of another specific plant, it's a reacitve process that produces colors not in the mud or the tannin, that's why real mud dying is limited by geography. what they largely do in africa is not the same, that's just using mud itself as a dye.



no, you don't need to clean your clothes with sound waves, but it's easier, more efficacious, uses less water and energy and makes your clothes last longer, which is good for reselling. what exactly is the problem with that? why is exerting conscious, diligent effort towards a better outcome frowned upon in this country? personally, that's what I like about the Japanese culture; when your spending thousands of dollars on clothing, regardless of what kind of clothing it is, where you wear it, or who sees you in it, why would you not want to take care of it in the best possible way?

 

[peachfuzzmcgee]

Are you seriously delusional? People in Japan are not buying 4k jackets when they are working poor. I was living in Hiroshima before this coronavirus mess so it's not like I don't see this ****.

Derek brings up facts, you bring up some random **** you pulled out your ass. Give me links, I can at least verify what Derek says with some quick googling.

Visvim is a hype brand, even in Japan it's a hype brand. People out here buying American made gorpcore **** more than visvim. Plus generalizing Japan as superior is some super lame weeb crap, not everyone has crazy taste nor is all the food better.

 

[peachfuzzmcgee]

Also Japan has no Mexican food worth a damn. Checkmate.

 

[OccultaVexillum]

PastryStar is clearly Hiroki himself. If not Hiroki, then John Mayer.