The StyleForum Working Hierarchical Suit Quality List (SFWHSQL!)

[classicman]

Must be an uneducated sales associate

RLBL full canvas
Z Zegna mostly half canvas


Z Zegna pricing is usually in the 800-1200 range which is the norm for half canvas

Likely he was uneducated. But considering the closeness of price points of RLBL and Z Zegna/EA I was inclined to accept his statement was true.

Price points for Z Zegna is easily 1200+ these days.

Evidence:
Here is Z Zegna at Saks

http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/Z-Ze...=399545537&FOLDER<>folder_id=2534374306424607


Here is RLBL at Saks

http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/Ralp...=399545537&FOLDER<>folder_id=2534374306424607


They are pretty much comparable as far as price points are concerned. RLBL is only $200-400 dollars costlier than Z Zegna yet offers full canvass construction.


And here are price points for Emporio Armani which again is comparable to Z Zegna and RLBL in price points.

http://www.armani.com/us/emporioarmani/men/suits/secondary

 

[endless402]

those are some expensive z zegna. most of the stuff in Canada is around 800-1200 and they go down to 600-900 when on sale.


most suit "upgrades" are in the $400 range...it adds up though...

I believe the full canvas upgrade on a BB 1818 was around 200-300...I don't remember.

full canvas is not the be all and end all. fabrics and construction quality can be more important to people

personally I rather have a half canvassed suit with better fabircs and construction than a full canvas suit with average fabrics

 

[arsenalx]

Giorgio Armani Black label comes in different flavors.

All GA Wall Street Suit models are fully canvassed, fully lined, good fabrics and well constructed (though machine made). They usually cost between $3300 - $4500.

The only model from GA that I know for sure is half canvassed is SoHo. I don't know for sure if Taylor and George Model suits are fully canvassed or if they are half canvassed as well.

I don't know of any GA suit model that is fully fused. I am a regular customer of GA black label ( and on that note for Zegna as well).

All GA MTM are fully canvassed. There Wall Street model is very comparable to Ermenegildo Zegna Sartorial line suit in terms of quality..

IIRC, only the Wall Street and Trader (incl. Trader, Trade Blu, etc) are fully canvassed. All other lines--Soho, Taylor, and George (they now only make suit separates for George)--are half canvassed and offer a slimmer silhouette than Wall St and Trader.
The rule of thumb for GA: if the MSRP is >$3,400, it's fully canvassed.

 

[classicman]

IIRC, only the Wall Street and Trader (incl. Trader, Trade Blu, etc) are fully canvassed. All other lines--Soho, Taylor, and George (they now only make suit separates for George)--are half canvassed and offer a slimmer silhouette than Wall St and Trader.
The rule of thumb for GA: if the MSRP is >$3,400, it's fully canvassed.

Hey Arsenal thanks for your input. Yeah I forgot to mention about Trader in my original post. Anyways, traders and wall street come in really good fabrics. There is one this season in Super 180s wool for $4825 in a Navy shade. The salesman claimed it has some basic hand work (hand stitching on lapels etc, button holes). I will have to have a closer look to confirm this. But you are right anything over $3400 is full canvassed.

 

[Vin-Wei]

I think this subject needs constant revisit and update.

Just a recent update that I have patronize Alfred Dunhill in the past 2 seasons and discovered that all their recent suits have moved up to a higher quality standard, for someone who has purchased Tom Ford suits before, you can notice they are basically the same quality and even share same fabrics from the EZ factory, which means they are in the league of Zegna Couture standard, but at significantly much lower price than TF and Zegna Couture.

 

[clee1982]

Interesting, and price? Dunhill use to be mainline Zegna category with a mark up, now it's couture/XXX/15mm (no idea about Zegna's line these days) level with mark down?

 

[Vin-Wei]

I don't live in U.S. and have no idea about Dunhill US price. You can check Mr.Porter Dunhill price as reference. Maybe not that much handwork, but close on quality.

 

[jeff13007]



I think this subject needs constant revisit and update. 

Just a recent update that I have patronize Alfred Dunhill in the past 2 seasons and discovered that all their recent suits have moved up to a higher quality standard, for someone who has purchased Tom Ford suits before, you can notice they are basically the same quality and even share same fabrics from the EZ factory, which means they are in the league of Zegna Couture standard, but at significantly much lower price than TF and Zegna Couture.   

This doesn't make any sense. Zegna Couture has a slightly higher starting point than TF. Over here in singapore its actually about 1k SGD which at current (as of this post) exchange rates is $720 USD. This is understandable because even though they are made in the same place to the same standard TF does not have the handmade buttonholes of Zegna Couture and to me at least the fabric of Zegna Couture was slightly better which explains the price difference. For Dunhill to be significantly cheaper and to be made in the same place makes no sense at all, has it been confirmed by someone that this is the case?

 

[clee1982]

In the US I think Zegna Couture is probably same Px as Tom Ford if not somewhat lower

 

[jeff13007]



In the US I think Zegna Couture is probably same Px as Tom Ford if not somewhat lower

When i used to live in NYC Tom Ford started at $3200 USD, $4200 for their standard grey 3 piece, Zegna couture started at about $5000. But regardless of which one starts more expensive they are roughly around the same pricing dependent on fabrics, for dunhill to be "significantly lower" makes no sense at all

 

[clee1982]



When i used to live in NYC Tom Ford started at $3200 USD, $4200 for their standard grey 3 piece, Zegna couture started at about $5000. But regardless of which one starts more expensive they are roughly around the same pricing dependent on fabrics, for dunhill to be "significantly lower" makes no sense at all

That TF price seems a bit low, was it say around 2010? I think it's more like $5K these days, haven't walk into Dunhill for a while, but last time I checked it's like <$3k for most?

 

[Seamless]



That TF price seems a bit low, was it say around 2010? I think it's more like $5K these days, haven't walk into Dunhill for a while, but last time I checked it's like <$3k for most?

I just bought my first and it was 3800.

 

[EliodA]

I just bought my first and it was 3800.

You paid $3800 for that?!

 

[Seamless]



You paid $3800 for that?!

This and a shirt. Just decided I wanted a Tom Ford to go with my others.

 

[clee1982]



I just bought my first and it was 3800.

Hum guess they have different range or my memory is simply wrong...