The Official Wine Thread

[CBrown85]

As an aside, @davidbeckwith's instagram is ******* unbelievable.

 

[Piobaire]



2000 Chateau Langlais again. Love that lead pencil.

You need to continue exploring Old World if the graphite is your friend. Manton is probably the king of low cost, drinkable Bordeaux.

 

[CBrown85]

I've been on Old World since I tasted my first aged Bordeaux (Lannessan 01) when I was in my early 20s, only been experimenting with the New World for the past few years. Manton has given a lot of really great suggestions.

A few local varietals have given me the flavours I look for, but they don't come cheap.

 

[poorsod]

These were the Krug I tried at the tasting. I thought the pours were relatively generous. I probably tasted at least 60-80 different champagnes. The champagne is so acidic that my mouth was numb and the gums hurt for quite a few days. Not sure if I would do that again.

 

[coolpapa]

I've been suffering from repetitive drinking injuries for quite some time now.

I've not had those vintages;I think the 95 or 98 is the last vintage I've had. I may also be in the minority in not liking Krug Rose'.

 

[Medwed]

Last time I have tried Krug Brut, was about 6-7 years ago. It had ubiquitous vanilla taste that overwhelmed everything, similar to other commercial brands like Cliquot, Taittinger, Dom P. , come to mind. However I have tried Cliquot a few weeks ago and it was completely different wine from what I remember. It was enjoyable, balanced and toasty with nice balanced acidity I guess they have improved, may be stopped topping their wines with something vanilla-awful. I am not planning to try any of the other suspects, as they are terrifically overpriced , but something has changed for the better, at least at Cliquot.

 

[djblisk]



Landed a couple of bottles of this for $30 each from my somm friend. He knows what I like in a Champs so I figured his rec was good enough, and at that price, I could probably horse trade off the other bottle if I don't care for the first and get my entire $60 invested back.

Can we get a review on the flavor?

 

[poorsod]



I've been suffering from repetitive drinking injuries for quite some time now.

 

[Eric Michael]

2000 Chateau Langlais again. Love that lead pencil.

How has this been tasting the last couple times you tried it?
I'm thinking of opening my bottle soon... What do you recommend in terms of time spent decanting?

 

[Principle]

Just watched the Rudy Kurniawan doc on Netflix. There's gotta be redeeming elements to being able to blend wine so well, right? If someone could blend me up the great Burgundy for a fraction of the price, I'd try it. Selling it as the real thing is obviously problematic, but maybe this will be a thing one day.

 

[CBrown85]



How has this been tasting the last couple times you tried it?
I'm thinking of opening my bottle soon... What do you recommend in terms of time spent decanting?

I'd open now- I usually just open the bottle for about 30-45 min- the one I just had was cloudy but didn't have a lot of heavy sediment. It's not exactly a complex wine but it's definitely an excellent bottle to share.

 

[jcusey]



Just watched the Rudy Kurniawan doc on Netflix. There's gotta be redeeming elements to being able to blend wine so well, right? If someone could blend me up the great Burgundy for a fraction of the price, I'd try it. Selling it as the real thing is obviously problematic, but maybe this will be a thing one day.

Is there much evidence that he did that? I mean, who knows what a '45 DRC is supposed to taste like; and when people have paid enormous sums of money for what purports to be '45 DRC, is it any wonder that they go gaga over it?

I also saw the documentary, and I thought that it was remarkably gentle towards Rudy. Having read the entire Kurniawan thread on Wine Berserkers, my judgment is considerably harsher.

 

[Principle]

It was a great watch, nonetheless. Sorry if you ever purchased something at auction from him.

 

[jcusey]



It was a great watch, nonetheless. Sorry if you ever purchased something at auction from him.

Oh, I'm not a baller like Piobaire. I don't deny that it was a good watch, just that they presented Rudy as he should have been presented. Fraud and counterfeiting are still fraud and counterfeiting, even if the people being bilked have more money than sense.

 

[Manton]



Is there much evidence that he did that? I mean, who knows what a '45 DRC is supposed to taste like; and when people have paid enormous sums of money for what purports to be '45 DRC, is it any wonder that they go gaga over it?

I also saw the documentary, and I thought that it was remarkably gentle towards Rudy. Having read the entire Kurniawan thread on Wine Berserkers, my judgment is considerably harsher.

I remember reading about the tasting of DRC RC that Allen Meadows and others organized around 2007. Apparently Rudy was the one who secured the 1945. IIRC, Cornwell and Barzelay--two Burg experts--were there, as was Aubert de Villainne, head of the Domaine. They all believed that one bottle was real. One of them--Barzelay, I think--later concluded that Rudy bought and served a real bottle so that the experts would vouch, and then he could thereafter make and sell fakes.

A few years ago I read about a bottle with perfect provenance that even the Domaine vouched for, which sold for $116,000. Still not as much as Rodenstock's "Jefferson Lafite" bought by Malcolm Forbes in 1985!