The 2015 Canadian Style Election

[BrooksLauren77]

Anyone But Harper.

 

[SirReveller]

"k can we dump the blue traitor party and the fringey green eco party to stick to the three main 'real' choices: blue red or orange??"

 

[Cayma]

The Greens being on stage don't bother me nearly as much as the Bloc being on does. Shame how people who want to tear up this country are given a pass too often.

 

[CBrown85]

Wasn't so long ago the "orange" party was seen as fringy, too.

I'm still not convinced anyone's paying any attention anyway. Every time a new poll comes out it gets reported to death, as if it matters. Who even answers their phone (or even has a landline) to answer the questions? Old people.

 

[Cayma]

Wasn't so long ago the "orange" party was seen as fringy, too.

I'm still not convinced anyone's paying any attention anyway. Every time a new poll comes out it gets reported to death, as if it matters. Who even answers their phone (or even has a landline) to answer the questions? Old people.

The Greens are arguably the most leftist party right now, as well.

The thing with the polling is that it is all in the margin of error, mostly. When I see constant polls showing leads of 6% or so, than I'll buy their numbers, otherwise, no.

 

[deadAngle]

It's like a color-coded funeral.

 

[ShawnBC]

What did everyone think of the 3 leader's performances at the Munk debate in Toronto?

 

[Cayma]

What did everyone think of the 3 leader's performances at the Munk debate in Toronto?

I think Mulcair had his best performance to date, and landed two potential knock-out blows on Trudeau. First on the passage of C-51, in which he stapled Trudeau for his "cowardly stance" supporting the bill, then on the question as to how Trudeau would deal with Putin, in which said "How would you deal with Putin when you're afraid of Harper?" Even though it was perhaps a bit below the belt, forcing Trudeau to defend PET was the second potential KO.

Overall, though I disagree somewhat on policy, I think Mulcair did well

Harper got several good shots in (They clearly installed his emotion chip), first on fearing ISIS not CSIS. Second, on Trudeau over revoking citizenship and war criminals and terrorists......Trudeau's responding hissy fit received a chorus of boos and heckling from the crowd. Also, much to my surprise, Harper waxed the floor with Trudeau over the environment.....Harper did well, and looks like the elder Statesman that he is.

If Mulcair's performance can't halt his slide in the polls, nothing else will......by far, his best debate yet. He looked and sounded like a leader, even if he's not the one I'd vote for. Harper's "emotion" and attack/defence against Trudeau will help him. Trudeau sounded and acted like a child, this debate, I feel, will hurt him.

 

[ShawnBC]

I think Mulcair had his best performance to date, and landed two potential knock-out blows on Trudeau. First on the passage of C-51, in which he stapled Trudeau for his "cowardly stance" supporting the bill, then on the question as to how Trudeau would deal with Putin, in which said "How would you deal with Putin when you're afraid of Harper?" Even though it was perhaps a bit below the belt, forcing Trudeau to defend PET was the second potential KO.

Overall, though I disagree somewhat on policy, I think Mulcair did well

Harper got several good shots in (They clearly installed his emotion chip), first on fearing ISIS not CSIS. Second, on Trudeau over revoking citizenship and war criminals and terrorists......Trudeau's responding hissy fit received a chorus of boos and heckling from the crowd. Also, much to my surprise, Harper waxed the floor with Trudeau over the environment.....Harper did well, and looks like the elder Statesman that he is.

If Mulcair's performance can't halt his slide in the polls, nothing else will......by far, his best debate yet. He looked and sounded like a leader, even if he's not the one I'd vote for. Harper's "emotion" and attack/defence against Trudeau will help him. Trudeau sounded and acted like a child, this debate, I feel, will hurt him.

I personally think the Munk' debate was Trudeau's best effort - I'm not saying he was great, nor really convincing, but this debate being more regulated by the host, he had less opportunities to speak (read: yell) on top of the other leaders. I'm not sure if his speech about PET was a genuine, improvised one or some kind of a publicity, political stunt. Either way, I'm not convinced it went in the Liberal's best interest. Trudeau gets upset that people always bring his father's legacy to the table, yet he is the one using his luggage as his main selling point (I'm not actually sure he'd be the Liberal's leader had he not been Pierre E. Trudeau's son). Go figure. I personally think he is too young and immature, and lack experience to be fit for Prime Minister, now matter how good his plan and his party is/isn't.

Mulcair had a good night, as you said. In the La Presse/Radio-Canada debate (in french), he kind of lost his whole 'Smiling Tom' thing and went back to his 'Angry Tom' attitude. If I recall correctly, he lost his temper on a couple occasion - I didn't mind it much though, as I think he personify both sides of the coin pretty good. As much as I think he'd makes good Prime Minister material, I understand that outside of Quebec, he doesn't get much votes (or I've read). All in all, I'm not sure if NDP is a little too left wing for me, no matter how much Mulcair tries to reach the center and center-right voters.

Harper is, well, Harper. No matter how the people in Quebec actually feel about him (even though we could be surprised - I'm sure a lot more people will vote for him then they'd like to admit), I find him cold, calculated, highly intelligent in a debate. I wish he didn't build all his economic policy around Canada's oil sand (not sure of exact terminology in english) and had better environmental solutions.

All in all, the more I educate myself about politics (I was younger and less interested in politics during the last 2 federal elections), the less I am sure to which party to give my vote. I don't understand how people who don't follow politics, check the parties plans and follow the headlines can make an educated vote/decision.

 

[BrooksLauren77]

Wasn't so long ago the "orange" party was seen as fringy, too.

I'm still not convinced anyone's paying any attention anyway. Every time a new poll comes out it gets reported to death, as if it matters. Who even answers their phone (or even has a landline) to answer the questions? Old people.

I've gotten more calls from the NDP than the Liberals. None from the Conservatives. Harper getting C-51 passed just cements my hatred for him even more. Neoliberal, corporatist scum. The lot of them.

 

[SirReveller]

We can trade tariff free w Japan. Cool.

Milk is still twice market up here. Not cool.

 

[BrooksLauren77]

I just want our wine prices to come down a bit.

 

[ShawnBC]

I just want our wine prices to come down a bit.

Amen!

 

[Cayma]

Free Trade is a necessity anymore; countries that don't embrace it somewhat are going to be dragged kicking and screaming into it anyway.

Tangentially related, I really do miss the Reform party this election, though.

 

[BrooksLauren77]

Free Trade is a necessity anymore; countries that don't embrace it somewhat are going to be dragged kicking and screaming into it anyway.

Tangentially related, I really do miss the Reform party this election, though.

??? Is it or it isn't?