• Hi, I am the owner and main administrator of Styleforum. If you find the forum useful and fun, please help support it by buying through the posted links on the forum. Our main, very popular sales thread, where the latest and best sales are listed, are posted HERE

    Purchases made through some of our links earns a commission for the forum and allows us to do the work of maintaining and improving it. Finally, thanks for being a part of this community. We realize that there are many choices today on the internet, and we have all of you to thank for making Styleforum the foremost destination for discussions of menswear.
  • This site contains affiliate links for which Styleforum may be compensated.
  • The House of Huntington is right now doing a one-off EXTRA 20% off already heavily discounted prices storewide at House Of Huntington! A lot of Drakes London, Belstaff, and other popular brands on sale. Please code: JAN20 at checkout.

  • STYLE. COMMUNITY. GREAT CLOTHING.

    Bored of counting likes on social networks? At Styleforum, you’ll find rousing discussions that go beyond strings of emojis.

    Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today!

    Styleforum is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. Please support us by using them. You may learn more here.

Talking stocks, trading, and investing in general

UnFacconable

Distinguished Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2007
Messages
4,446
Reaction score
9,099
First decade in the 2000s US equities (large cap growth) did poorly. The last 10 years US outperformed.

Thoughts on the next decade (US tech will maintain its dominance--all ships will rise with the tide e.g., energy and infrastructure spending)? Or will we see a mean reversion instead?

Yes.

People may have views but I think it would be foolish to take action on it. VTI and/or S&P500 is likely to beat any portfolio that is tilted away from them. Hedge fund dudes spend all day long with a lot of resources at their disposal and very rarely can reliably beat the market just by investing in public securities so I doubt that there is some simple secret to unlock excess gains.

US equities have a lot of exposure to international markets so to the extent the US economy were to lag, that doesn’t necessarily mean US stocks would lag. But they could.

You have to decide what risks you are willing to take.
 

javyn

Stylish Dinosaur
Joined
Mar 15, 2006
Messages
26,059
Reaction score
16,386
The future of finance is hear

1737060348493.png
 

gettoasty

Stylish Dinosaur
Joined
Feb 8, 2010
Messages
16,660
Reaction score
11,188
This is throwing me for a loop

Roth 401k vs Pretax 401k, unless your future marginal tax rate drops significantly, Roth 401k seems to produce more wealth inclusive of tax. Say 37% vs 22% i.e., a household will need to drop several rungs down. My initial thought is this calculator is looking at someone's lifetime in a linear manner or strictly growth and taxes. Factoring in spending and RMD?


Edit:
The assumed reinvesting tax-savings at 7% LT return completely excludes other utility e.g., second home, kids, etc. ?? No other cash flow considerations. Calculator is helpful to look at things financially per se but otherwise one dimensional it seems.
 
Last edited:

double00

Stylish Dinosaur
Supporting Member
Joined
Nov 24, 2014
Messages
18,723
Reaction score
18,820
This is throwing me for a loop

Roth 401k vs Pretax 401k, unless your future marginal tax rate drops significantly, Roth 401k seems to produce more wealth inclusive of tax. Say 37% vs 22% i.e., a household will need to drop several rungs down. My initial thought is this calculator is looking at someone's lifetime in a linear manner or strictly growth and taxes. Factoring in spending and RMD?


Edit:
The assumed reinvesting tax-savings at 7% LT return completely excludes other utility e.g., second home, kids, etc. ?? No other cash flow considerations. Calculator is helpful to look at things financially per se but otherwise one dimensional it seems.

that's like the whole feature of the Roth platform imho , the vehicle represents a revenue loss to the gov't .

i remember when Roth IRA came out they had pretty low limits on contributions , iirc the revenue loss issue was why .

somebody else can weigh in on the math but I always figured it as a limited cherry for taxpayers
 

venividivicibj

Stylish Dinosaur
Joined
Apr 9, 2013
Messages
23,707
Reaction score
19,551
This is throwing me for a loop

Roth 401k vs Pretax 401k, unless your future marginal tax rate drops significantly, Roth 401k seems to produce more wealth inclusive of tax. Say 37% vs 22% i.e., a household will need to drop several rungs down. My initial thought is this calculator is looking at someone's lifetime in a linear manner or strictly growth and taxes. Factoring in spending and RMD?


Edit:
The assumed reinvesting tax-savings at 7% LT return completely excludes other utility e.g., second home, kids, etc. ?? No other cash flow considerations. Calculator is helpful to look at things financially per se but otherwise one dimensional it seems.
Sometimes people can work part time late in life? Would be a great time to convert IRA-->Roth when at very low/marginal tax brackets. But yes, I think generally, you're right.

It is good to have both Roth and Pretax though, so you can kind of finagle tax brackets when combining both incomes in retirement, leading you to take home lots of money with very little tax implications.
 

Featured Sponsor

How do you prefer trousers to be finished?

  • Plain hem

  • Cuffed (1.5 inches or less)

  • Cuffed (more than 1.5 inches)

  • No preference, as long as the proportions work


Results are only viewable after voting.

Forum statistics

Threads
521,684
Messages
10,736,330
Members
229,388
Latest member
Americanairlines
Top