SPIER & MACKAY - Official Affiliate Thread

[TwilightMan]

What is the product launch schedule typically like with Spier? By when do they release most or all of their new summer sport coats? I am looking for sport coat(s) for casual office wear with very dark blue jeans (cold office even during summers), and although it is cold also outside where I am at now, it will very soon start getting hot outside.

But at the same time I do not like excess wrinkles, and I will be wearing the SC when sitting at my desk as well, giving it plenty of opportunity to get wrinkles. Pretty much all the summer Spier SCs currently available are either pure cotton/linen (definitely not for me) or blends. And from what I understand, under heavy office use, even the blends will get pretty wrinkled?

For example there is not even a single Fresco SC currently available.

Should there be more 100% (or close to 100%) wool/fresco summer-weight SCs available in the near future?

Dapper's W/S/L above doesn't look bad at all in terms of wrinkles - but I am not sure how the fabric would hold up over an entire day with a large amount of sitting? I did see this one that is at least 65% wool:

Olive Sportcoat | SPIER & MACKAY

Spier & Mackay

www.spierandmackay.com

But of course that lower summer weight I would assume makes even that smaller amount of silk/linen easier to wrinkle...

 

[ericgereghty]

What is the product launch schedule typically like with Spier? By when do they release most or all of their new summer sport coats? I am looking for sport coat(s) for casual office wear with very dark blue jeans (cold office even during summers), and although it is cold also outside where I am at now, it will very soon start getting hot outside.

But at the same time I do not like excess wrinkles, and I will be wearing the SC when sitting at my desk as well, giving it plenty of opportunity to get wrinkles. Pretty much all the summer Spier SCs currently available are either pure cotton/linen (definitely not for me) or blends. And from what I understand, under heavy office use, even the blends will get pretty wrinkled?

For example there is not even a single Fresco SC currently available.

Should there be more 100% (or close to 100%) wool/fresco summer-weight SCs available in the near future?

Dapper's W/S/L above doesn't look bad at all in terms of wrinkles - but I am not sure how the fabric would hold up over an entire day with a large amount of sitting? I did see this one that is at least 65% wool:

Olive Sportcoat | SPIER & MACKAY

Spier & Mackay

www.spierandmackay.com

But of course that lower summer weight I would assume makes even that smaller amount of silk/linen easier to wrinkle...

Are you anti-navy SC? If no, grab the Minnis Mock Leno (same fabric book as the Minnis Fresco, though of course a meshier, more beefy weave) for sure. That will be exactly what you’re after if wrinkle mitigation is your goal.

IRT release schedule, I have to assume the bulk of their drops have been released as of now

 

[TwilightMan]

Are you anti-navy SC? If no, grab the Minnis Mock Leno (same fabric book as the Minnis Fresco, though of course a meshier, more beefy weave) for sure. That will be exactly what you’re after if wrinkle mitigation is your goal.

Thanks.

I'm definitely not anti-navy. However, will that be too close to the jeans color below ("rinse")?

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It might not always be that exact color - but I am not a fan of light colored jeans - at least for now. EDIT: I will be wearing more contrasting/light color shirts though, likely with the SC always unbuttoned. Also not sure how the wide Neo Cut lapels look on below average heights like my own (5' 7")?

 

[UncommonSequel]

Thanks.

I'm definitely not anti-navy. However, will that be too close to the jeans color below ("rinse")?

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It might not always be that exact color - but I am not a fan of light colored jeans - at least for now. EDIT: I will be wearing more contrasting/light color shirts though, likely with the SC always unbuttoned. Also not sure how the wide Neo Cut lapels look on below average heights like my own (5' 7")?

Are you against wearing other types of trousers? Chinos/wool trousers in khaki, olive, stone, cream etc will go well with the mock Leno jacket. I don't think dark wash jeans will go particularly well with most summer sportcoat fabrics. Better suited for fall/winter jackets (tweeds, flannels etc).

 

[JTrent82]

Thanks.

I'm definitely not anti-navy. However, will that be too close to the jeans color below ("rinse")?

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It might not always be that exact color - but I am not a fan of light colored jeans - at least for now. EDIT: I will be wearing more contrasting/light color shirts though, likely with the SC always unbuttoned. Also not sure how the wide Neo Cut lapels look on below average heights like my own (5' 7")?

Curious what office you're wearing denim to. Blue jeans and a jacket is not a professional look. Maybe I'm just out of touch? Also, fwiw I find Neapolitan cuts to be inherently casual and also not entirely office-appropriate. I know lots of guys here probably sport their Neos at the office, but it's a bit flashy for me in that environment- I think I'd feel self-conscious. I do think the big concave lapels don't work as well on smaller frames. I'm 5'8" and I've come to realize the Neo doesn't work for me unfortunately. Anyway I'm sure there's some high twist on the horizon, though high twist suits are more common than sportcoats. In past seasons they've kept releasing OTR jackets out until June I think.

 

[ericgereghty]

Happy news: we were 100% correct on the weight of the Bryson linen. Absolutely not 9ish ounces.

 

[TwilightMan]

Curious what office you're wearing denim to. Blue jeans and a jacket is not a professional look. Maybe I'm just out of touch? Also, fwiw I find Neapolitan cuts to be inherently casual and also not entirely office-appropriate. I know lots of guys here probably sport their Neos at the office, but it's a bit flashy for me in that environment- I think I'd feel self-conscious. I do think the big concave lapels don't work as well on smaller frames. I'm 5'8" and I've come to realize the Neo doesn't work for me unfortunately. Anyway I'm sure there's some high twist on the horizon, though high twist suits are more common than sportcoats. In past seasons they've kept releasing OTR jackets out until June I think.

My office does not have a business dress policy. Casual non-business dress is allowed (and most of the office dresses casual). Some people voluntarily dress more business casual, and almost no one dresses formal unless visiting a client in-person.

Previously I was one of the smaller group of people that always dressed business casual. However I was already working mostly remote before covid, have been 100% remote since covid, have always had the same level of excellent performance/achievements both before and during remote work, but am still now being asked to return to the office even more than required before covid. So I don't really care anymore about dressing more than what they require other than my own standards (which is already higher than the office average).

The only reason I am even bothering to wear a sport coat is because the office is too cold to just wear an undershirt + long sleeve button down shirt + jeans + OTC wool dress socks.

I might consider chinos again at some point, but not sure if there any good ones that are slim, uncuffed, affordable, and don't require ironing to look decent. Finding RTW clothes that can properly fit me even after tailoring is extremely hard.

EDIT: And yeah if I do end up getting a SC, you confirmed my worries about the Neo Cut, so unfortunately those SCs will not work for me either.

 

[WoolyLamb]

Happy news: we were 100% correct on the weight of the Bryson linen. Absolutely not 9ish ounces.

Pics?

 

[breakaway01]

Also, fwiw I find Neapolitan cuts to be inherently casual and also not entirely office-appropriate. I know lots of guys here probably sport their Neos at the office, but it's a bit flashy for me in that environment-

A different opinion here— in no way do I think that the Neo cut is not appropriate for the office. Have worn (non-SM) sportcoats with 4.3” lapels to work (a midwestern medical center) and nobody’s batted an eye. IMO anyone wearing a tailored jacket nowadays is “dressed up”. Nobody’s paying attention to the shape of your lapels.

 

[CLH03]

A different opinion here— in no way do I think that the Neo cut is not appropriate for the office. Have worn (non-SM) sportcoats with 4.3” lapels to work (a midwestern medical center) and nobody’s batted an eye. IMO anyone wearing a tailored jacket nowadays is “dressed up”. Nobody’s paying attention to the shape of your lapels.

Agreed. 99% of people don’t have a clue what you’re wearing. Wear what you like

 

[gonnagetmine]

Happy news: we were 100% correct on the weight of the Bryson linen. Absolutely not 9ish ounces.

Can you comment on if the new trouser fit is significantly larger in seat/thigh? Thanks

 

[OxandFord]

Is it just me but I don't like the way they now present the garments on a model. I preferred the older way.

 

[Don L]

Is it just me but I don't like the way they now present the garments on a model. I preferred the older way.

Not you. Its awful

 

[ericgereghty]

Pics?

Will snap some when able!

A different opinion here— in no way do I think that the Neo cut is not appropriate for the office. Have worn (non-SM) sportcoats with 4.3” lapels to work (a midwestern medical center) and nobody’s batted an eye. IMO anyone wearing a tailored jacket nowadays is “dressed up”. Nobody’s paying attention to the shape of your lapels.

+1. Absolutely insane in 2024. NOBODY is thinking of a sport coat/suit as too casual nowadays in the real world.

Can you comment on if the new trouser fit is significantly larger in seat/thigh? Thanks

Cannot yet.

 

[JTrent82]

+1. Absolutely insane in 2024. NOBODY is thinking of a sport coat/suit as too casual nowadays in the real world.

I probably could have articulated myself better, but I'm not sure I can do better now. Neo has a vibe and it doesn't vibe with me in the office. Of course no lay observer bats an eye, but I know. When I look at myself in the mirror wearing a Neo jacket, I feel like I'm going to Pitti. I just never reach for them when I'm on my way to work. It's like the difference between driving a sports car versus a sensible sedan. I drive a Camry, but everyone has their own preferences.