Septieme Largeur footwear - Discussion Thread

[Noblekostas]

Can anyone advise on sizing for the 7L Trima or 7L 230 last in general?

The Trima is on the 230 (wide) last - my foot, at 26.7cm on the 7L size chart, suggests I'd be a 7UK on their wide lasts. I am a usually a US 9D (Alden Plaza last in 9D is perhaps my perfect fit) in dress shoes; I've been wearing Aldens on Barrie last at 8.5C forever; RMW Craftsman in 8G is also a great fit for me. My most recent Brannock measurement was 9.5C - with high arches and instep.

I corresponded with 7L today and they referred me back to the chart - which led me to ask here as I can't make sense of the chart vs. info in this thread etc etc., particularly where it seems the consensus here is down one size from your usual size on their wide last. thanks

The charts are useless.

US 9D usually? Take a UK 8.

I wear carmina UK 8 and took same for 7L and half a size up for a narrow last.

 

[LiverFieldie]

The charts are useless.

US 9D usually? Take a UK 8.

I wear carmina UK 8 and took same for 7L and half a size up for a narrow last.

Thanks!

Their size chart is very similar to Orbans' (in fact, it might be the same because maybe the shoes are sourced from the same factory??) - Orbans' (and 7L's) size chart would put me at a 6.5-7 UK in their wide fit. I know I am a UK8 in Orbans dress shoes, and I know I'm a UK7.5 in Orban's Norwegian welt shoes (though I'm wearing a UK8 with an insole), so I bet the same holds true for 7L.

It's probably not worth the hassle/risk from overseas to figure this out.

I need to find a foot proxy in the EU one of these days.

 

[Noblekostas]

Thanks!

Their size chart is very similar to Orbans' (in fact, it might be the same because maybe the shoes are sourced from the same factory??) - Orbans' (and 7L's) size chart would put me at a 6.5-7 UK in their wide fit. I know I am a UK8 in Orbans dress shoes, and I know I'm a UK7.5 in Orban's Norwegian welt shoes (though I'm wearing a UK8 with an insole), so I bet the same holds true for 7L.

It's probably not worth the hassle/risk from overseas to figure this out.

I need to find a foot proxy in the EU one of these days.

Size 8 should fit you well honestly.

 

[Mirage-]

I found the charts perplexing. I even measured my feet according to their target lengths, and I was supposed to be uk8.5 in thin lasts and even uk8 in larger lasts (no way on earth that's true).
I ended up just getting my most common welted shoe size (UK9) and it was correct, and consider my second choice is usually uk9.5, not lower.
That being said, I am in love with the Gatsby boot design. It's something no other reputable maker has in their collection atm as far as i know (though I didn't really consult anything in brackets higher than e.g. TLB Artista), and fits the bill perfectly for me for a dressier version of a chukka. With trousers on top it looks like a normal split toe derby, but actually provides a bit more coverage without getting too in the way of your trousers, unlike a fulll-height boot.

 

[LiverFieldie]

I spent my commute home rooting around and finally found a review of the Trima in French that warned they run a little big. (Hat tip to Commeuncamion.com for that). 7L is sold out of 7.5, which I think would probably be perfect. That would be consistent with my experience with Orbans noted above (i.e., UK true to size/US -1 for dress shoes, UK -0.5/US -1.5 for Norwegian welted shoes), and not surprising given the shared lineage of the brands I guess.
Probably could live with the 8 and some fidgetry, but I was hoping for a thin/no sock, close fit for spring.

So my search for a deck shoe/Tyrolean/lug sole hybrid like the Trima (which seems related to, if not based on, the Paraboot Chimey that I am too cheap to buy) must continue.

 

[Amédée]

Hello,
I'm new to the forum and I would appreciate help in choosing the right size from 7L. I live in Quebec and am unfortunately unable to try them on.
I exchanged several e-mails with the 7L representative, who was very courteous as she was quick to answer, but she didn't give me a clear picture.
My foot (the longest) measures 27.2 cm. According to the Brannock scale, I'm between 10 and 10.5, which corresponds fairly well to my US size at Allen Edmonds (10.5D). In general, I avoid shoe lasts that are too narrow, given my fairly wide foot.
I'd like to order a derby in last 237, which is one of their wide lasts : https://www.septiemelargeur.fr/en/derbies/814-smith-dainite.html
If I go by their chart https://www.septiemelargeur.fr/en/content/29-size-guide, my UK size would be a borderline 7.5 - 8, which the 7L representative first confirmed to me on the basis of my foot measurements. I found this quite surprising and replied that my US size was more like 10.5 with a wide foot, and the person ended up recommending a UK size of 9.5!
The table in the size guide seems nonsense to me, and in the end I'm hesitating about which size to order. Do you have a recommendation?

 

[G Rex]

Will SL provide a leather insole that's cut to the shape of the last? I have some from TLB Mallorca for one pair. They help very much for my low instep.

 

[SirThopas]

Recently bought the Basile Commando boots in black. I’m generally a UK 9, and find the boots pretty roomy - a minor problem resolved by inserting insoles (Enertor walking insoles, to be precise), which will be a help as I plan to pound quite a few wet streets in the boots. The big selling point of this model, for me, is that it’s a smart Chelsea but with a really sturdy rubber Vibram sole for traction on slippery pavements.

 

[Pascal1980]

Yikes! Did anyone ever really look at this website?

All that glitters is not gold.

Hello everybody,

as I am interested in Patina Art, I am interested in these shoes. Do you whether the pictures and article of the cut-off or disected shoes of Septieme Largeur are still somewhere available?

Otherwise I would chose the crust-leather shoes from TLB Mallorca or Carmina.

Best regards

Pascal

 

[Schweino]

Hello everybody,

as I am interested in Patina Art, I am interested in these shoes. Do you whether the pictures and article of the cut-off or disected shoes of Septieme Largeur are still somewhere available?

Otherwise I would chose the crust-leather shoes from TLB Mallorca or Carmina.

Best regards

Pascal

If you want to know if they are decently made: Their shoes are made by Andres Sendra, same factory that makes Lof & Tung, Sons of Henrey, J. Fitzpatrick and Cobbler Union to name a few.

In my opinion they deliver pretty decent quality shoes and boots. Although it can't hurt to check how they are made by asking Septieme Largeur what material they use as heel and toe stiffeners or if they use any kind of synthetic materials in their (in)sole construction for instance.

 

[Pascal1980]

If you want to know if they are decently made: Their shoes are made by Andres Sendra, same factory that makes Lof & Tung, Sons of Henrey, J. Fitzpatrick and Cobbler Union to name a few.

In my opinion they deliver pretty decent quality shoes and boots. Although it can't hurt to check how they are made by asking Septieme Largeur what material they use as heel and toe stiffeners or if they use any kind of synthetic materials in their (in)sole construction for instance.

Thanks Schweino,

the webside of Andres Sendra shows that the shoes for Patina Art look almost the same like the ones of 7L. The open-chanel GY stiching shows that it is a 180°-stiching. The waist is just glued/cemented. Hence the wood-pegging is probably just decorative as well. In that pice categorie I would not expected leather(board) heel stifeners, the best A-grade leather and think veg-tan insoles. But I will ask on the weekend when I am in Paris.

Best regards

Pascal

 

[Schweino]

Thanks Schweino,

the webside of Andres Sendra shows that the shoes for Patina Art look almost the same like the ones of 7L. The open-chanel GY stiching shows that it is a 180°-stiching. The waist is just glued/cemented. Hence the wood-pegging is probably just decorative as well. In that pice categorie I would not expected leather(board) heel stifeners, the best A-grade leather and think veg-tan insoles. But I will ask on the weekend when I am in Paris.

Best regards

Pascal

I don't have experience with 7L shoes, but dit order some from Andres Sendra directly and was disappointed (see https://www.styleforum.net/threads/...man-vilalta-etc.626648/page-175#post-12031509).

I do own several Lof & Tung and Sons of Henrey pairs though and they are on a whole different level.

Some sellers have great specs for the shoes they have made by Sendra, check out Sons of Henrey for instance where they do use leatherboard stiffeners and some nice leather selections (for a very reasonable price).

 

[Pascal1980]

I don't have experience with 7L shoes, but dit order some from Andres Sendra directly and was disappointed (see https://www.styleforum.net/threads/...man-vilalta-etc.626648/page-175#post-12031509).

I do own several Lof & Tung and Sons of Henrey pairs though and they are on a whole different level.

Some sellers have great specs for the shoes they have made by Sendra, check out Sons of Henrey for instance where they do use leatherboard stiffeners and some nice leather selections (for a very reasonable price).

Thanks for the information, Schweino,

looking at your post of the boots directly from Andres Sendra it confirms my expectation, that the shoes are made to look nice with a fidle-back waist, but are produced quickly by cemeting the sole with woodpecking just for asthetics. Hence it is basically a cemented shoe with a 180° welt. To be fair, the store manager in November 2023, when I first visited the 7L store in Paris, admitted that the half-sole of the forward part of the shoe can be replaced, which is what most people do. The waist is usually not replaced when resoling the shoe.

Furthermore, the combination of a 180° welt and woodpecks for a very robust yet slim waist can only be done by hand as there is no machine to combine it as far as I know. Saint Crispin has a combined approach, while the really handmade shoes costs five times more than the mass manufactured shoes from Andres Sendra:

Saint Crispin´s Hunter Boots

Saint Crispin's two tone hunter boots in suede and calf. Style reference 402. Color code CRU 606 / KUD 076. Style reference 402 G-width (wide) Includes lasted shoe trees Hand welted and hand lasted Fully leather lined Single leather sole with Vibram topy sole Classic last Made in Transylvania...

www.skoaktiebolaget.com

Sons of Henry and Lof & Tung look good. Are these shoes 270° or 360° welted?

Otherwise, I stick to crust-leather shoes from Mallorca, produced by Yanko (got the last 5 pairs for 150€ each), TLB Mallorca Artista or Carmina with their MTO-Options and Carmina offers three crust-leather shoes for Patina Art as hobby right away:

WHOLECUT OXFORDS 910 RAIN

WHOLECUT OXFORD IN NATURAL VEGANO...

www.carminashoemaker.com

DOUBLE MONK STRAPS 80250 INCA

DOUBLE MONK STRAP IN NATURAL VEGANO...

www.carminashoemaker.com

DERBY SHOES 532 OSCAR

LONGWING DERBY SHOES IN CHROMEXCEL NATURAL ...

www.carminashoemaker.com

And "natural Vegano" as leather option for Patina Art in their MTO-Program.

The quality of TLB Mallorca Artista and Carmina ought to be above the one of the shoes produced by Andres Sendra. YANKO has a 270° welt and from the shoes I purchased they are very well made without major flaws for shoes in the 300€ price range. I got the last pairs, that by coincidence were my size UK 7, at a 50% discount from patine.pl in Poland.

Hence in Paris I rather visit the Carmina store to try their Rain, Inca and Oscar lasts to then design the shoes in their MTO-Program.

Best regards

Pascal

 

[Pascal1980]

Hello shoe enthusiasts,

The service of Septieme Largeur ist really friendly and nice. The Patina Shoes costs 70€ less without the Patina Art service. Hence as plain crust-leather shoes they cost 325€ to 385€, for boots.

Also I asked for the heel counter and insoles. The heel counter is made of leather board and the insole and lining are of Salpa, which is when searching for it a bonded leather.

Best regards

Pascal

 

[Schweino]

Sons of Henry and Lof & Tung look good. Are these shoes 270° or 360° welted?

That depends on the model, they have both available in my experience.

Mind that Lof & Tung uses a poron (synthetic foam) full sock liner/insole (which I personally don't like). I have asked several times if they can tell me if there is a leather insole below it but I have never gotten a clear response to that.