OFFICIAL Simon Crompton thread (PermanentStyle.com)

[GabrielJF]

Crompton is pushing double breasted blazers at the moment. The twist is a slightly heavier fabric makes them an alternative to a coat.

There is Seiji - an oriental version of Benny from ‘Crossroads’ in a wooly hat, T shirt and shapeless jeans.

Fat*y Ethan in a daft hat and jeans is there for comparison.

Crompton‘s crowd just take it as read that this is a good look.

An ‘oriental version.’ Yuck. Please tell me you’re over the age of 80.

And calling out Ethan Newton - who admittedly dresses in a pretty ludicrous way - for being overweight. Come on, dude. Pretty much everything about what you’ve written here is gross and unpleasant.

 

[Kingstonian]

An ‘oriental version.’ Yuck. Please tell me you’re over the age of 80.

And calling out Ethan Newton - who admittedly dresses in a pretty ludicrous way - for being overweight. Come on, dude. Pretty much everything about what you’ve written here is gross and unpleasant.

It is all accurate though, even if you don't care for posters pointing out the bleedin obvious.

 

[GabrielJF]

It is all accurate though, even if you don't care for posters pointing out the bleedin obvious.

Term oriental is - being as generous as possible - incredibly old fashioned. Being less generous it is actually quite insulting, rooted in colonialism and is basically quite reductive. Where exactly is the orient anyway? But hey, I suspect you’re not one to care about that!

Just because something is obvious, like someone’s weight, does not in any way require it being pointed out. Especially so pointlessly maliciously.

 

[Thin White Duke]

Term oriental is - being as generous as possible - incredibly old fashioned. Being less generous it is actually quite insulting, rooted in colonialism and is basically quite reductive. Where exactly is the orient anyway? But hey, I suspect you’re not one to care about that!

Just because something is obvious, like someone’s weight, does not in any way require it being pointed out. Especially so pointlessly maliciously.

Without wanting to get into a semantic bun fight Kingstonian is English where AFAIK the term ‘oriental’ hasn’t attained the pejorative slant that has happened in America and elsewhere. English tend to differentiate ‘oriental’ East Asians from ‘Asian’ subcontinentals.
Any attempt to classify vast swathes of populations is by nature going to be reductive. I doubt he had any malicious intent.

At one point the world was divided into mongoloid, caucasoid and negroid. We don’t say ‘Mongol’ or ‘Negro’ in polite company so how come use of ‘Caucasian’ persists?

Thanks to 23 and Me I’ve traced back my own origin at least a couple of centuries and there isn’t a single ancestor from anywhere near the Caucasus mountains. ‘White’ will do fine.

 

[GabrielJF]

Without wanting to get into a semantic bun fight Kingstonian is English where AFAIK the term ‘oriental’ hasn’t attained the pejorative slant that has happened in America and elsewhere. English tend to differentiate ‘oriental’ East Asians from ‘Asian’ subcontinentals.
Any attempt to classify vast swathes of populations is by nature going to be reductive. I doubt he had any malicious intent.

At one point the world was divided into mongoloid, caucasoid and negroid. We don’t say ‘Mongol’ or ‘Negro’ in polite company so how come use of ‘Caucasian’ persists?

Thanks to 23 and Me I’ve traced back my own origin at least a couple of centuries and there isn’t a single ancestor from anywhere near the Caucasus mountains. ‘White’ will do fine.

As a London based Englishman married to a British East Asian woman I have to disagree. I think the term oriental is now widely regarded as pejorative. Perhaps far less so than other slurs. However, it is definitely Eurocentric, reductive and rooted in a colonial understanding of a huge part of the globe.

You wouldn’t refer to someone from the Middle East or Northern Africa as a Moor. It’d be considered grossly anachronistic and therefore offensive. ‘Oriental’ has gone that way too and arguably began going that way manydecades ago, likely predating Edward Said’s Orientalism.

To put it another way my late grandfather would have doubtlessly referred to someone of East Asian appearance as an oriental, from the orient. My parents - brits now in their 60s - would probably never dream of doing so.

I think the distinction you are referring to is between East Asians and South Asians. Hardly difficult ethereally ethnic terms to grapple with. Just dispassionate and accurate.

 

[Howfener]

As an Englishman I agree. If someone used the term oriental today it would be jarring and mildly offensive. As you say, not as much as other racial slurs, but still not commonly-acceptable or neutral language.

 

[Treble]

Good on you for calling out those comments @GabrielJF

On topic, I think Ethan almost always looks great. I have met him in person as well, so it's not just a case of professional shots being good.

He is definitely broadening the appeal of certain items via Brycelands and his personal approach to styling. Not to say they would work for everyone of course.

 

[aristoi bcn]

Interesting. As a southern european I had never thought that calling someone « oriental », describing someone as oriental or mentioning that someone has oriental physical appearance would be pejorative. Of course when we talk about people from the other side of the globe we use our own geographical position as a reference. I would never be concerned if someone from Asia would describe me as westerner.

From what you say it seems that, for historical reasons, in England the term oriental has been embeded with mostly pejorative attributes.

 

[GabrielJF]

Good on you for calling out those comments @GabrielJF

On topic, I think Ethan almost always looks great. I have met him in person as well, so it's not just a case of professional shots being good.

He is definitely broadening the appeal of certain items via Brycelands and his personal approach to styling. Not to say they would work for everyone of course.

Definitely see how he’s used his personal styling to broaden appeal of the Brycelands look. I was completely ready to love Bryceland’s. Yet I’ve found much of what they do to be costumey and I think similarly, I find Ethan’s looks very costumey. Always a few too many things on them competing for attention I think.

 

[Kingstonian]

Term oriental is - being as generous as possible - incredibly old fashioned. Being less generous it is actually quite insulting, rooted in colonialism and is basically quite reductive. Where exactly is the orient anyway? But hey, I suspect you’re not one to care about that!

Just because something is obvious, like someone’s weight, does not in any way require it being pointed out. Especially so pointlessly maliciously.

Put up photos on tinternet and you will get comments - especially about the obvious.

As for ‘Oriental’ and ‘Asian’, I am always puzzled when Americans refer to Chinese, Japanese etc as ‘Asian’. In the UK ‘Asian’ usually means the Indian subcontinent.

 

[GabrielJF]

Put up photos on tinternet and you will get comments - especially about the obvious.

As for ‘Oriental’ and ‘Asian’, I am always puzzled when Americans refer to Chinese, Japanese etc as ‘Asian’. In the UK ‘Asian’ usually means the Indian subcontinent.

Correct - put photos of yourself online and you will get comments, some of them from rude and ignorant people. Congratulations, on deciding to be one of those people!

East Asia and South Asia. Both technically Asian. We just had a lot of immigration from India and Pakistan during the early mid 20th century. Not puzzling at all.

China, Mongolia, Japan, Taiwan, Korea: East Asian.

 

[Texasmade]

One of my Vietnamese friend used to also say when why he didn’t like being labeled “oriental”- I’m not a fvcking rug

 

[Kingstonian]

Nobody uses the terms ‘East Asian‘ and ‘South Asian’ in Britain.

You are probably the sort that stopped cricket commentators from referring to ‘batsmen’ and started talking about ‘batters’ instead, when people were not paying attention.

 

[GabrielJF]

Nobody uses the terms ‘East Asian‘ and ‘South Asian’ in Britain.

You are probably the sort that stopped cricket commentators from referring to ‘batsmen’ and started talking about ‘batters’ instead, when people were not paying attention.

Yes, they do and no, I’m not.

East Asian and South Asian are not the loony lefty PC Brigade gone mad and forcing it down your throat. They’re geographical realities.

 

[Treble]

Definitely see how he’s used his personal styling to broaden appeal of the Brycelands look. I was completely ready to love Bryceland’s. Yet I’ve found much of what they do to be costumey and I think similarly, I find Ethan’s looks very costumey. Always a few too many things on them competing for attention I think.

I rate them, think they have been pretty smart as they do enough eccentric stuff for them to stand out from being yet another japanese-americana repro brand and that helps with being at the price-point they are at. I plan on sticking with their more standard stuff though!