Darts in shirts

[demeis]

The most i've seen our tailor take in a shirt is 7". I don't know if this is the limit or not.

As for darts i don't mind them. I have a Brioni shirt with them and it doesn't really matter to me if they do. Some "cheap" tailors will only do darts and not recut the shirts but from what our tailor has told me shirts like Lorenzini with set in sleeves are harder to take in and darts are usually the answer.

 

[Cantabrigian]

Originally Posted by demeis

from what our tailor has told me shirts like Lorenzini with set in sleeves are harder to take in and darts are usually the answer.

What are set in sleeves?

What does sleeve treatment have to do with tapering the waist?

 

[Freddy Vandecasteele]

My original post was not how much you can take in the waist mesurement.
I like the back darts an I mean back for the "Aspect"
And taking in X inches on a 5 foot or a 7 foot person is not the same thing.
This is all geometry sharp angle can be done but not recomended
Freddy Vandecasteele

 

[lakewolf]

I think as most off the rack shirts come with double-line sewn sides then the darts in the back are the simplest and cheapest way of fitting them.

But i am allways surprised when I see new Italian factory-slim shirts that come with darts... I have swiss slim shirts that are cut slimmer and with correct double-sewn sides and no darts...

It is maybe that some just happen to like the darted look ?

 

[imageWIS]

Originally Posted by Omegablogger

I think, as recent entrants to the world of mens clothing, they simply do not have the well of experience to draw from. Maybe in a hundred years or so they will get the hang of it.

Um, huh? The Italians make shirts just as well as the English...

Jon.

 

[nioh]

Originally Posted by imageWIS

Um, huh? The Italians make shirts just as well as the English… Jon.
even better..

 

[itsstillmatt]

Originally Posted by nioh

even better..

+1000

 

[lakewolf]

English clothing is sooo 20th century....

 

[imageWIS]

Originally Posted by iammatt

+1000
Nah…for RTW, I have yet to find a shirt cut as well as H&K*. Jon. *Of that quality (stitching, buttons, etc…)

 

[Omegablogger]

Originally Posted by imageWIS

Um, huh? The Italians make shirts just as well as the English...

Jon.

If you like darts

I'm playing devils advocate somewhat but there are English shirtmakers older than Italy itself. I think any argument that states that the "Italians do it that way" is a weak one. I don't think it's coincidence that the Italian way normally equates to the easier and cheaper way, regardless of what stylistic advantages they may hold.

It seems that darts are a quick and easy way for a shirtmaker to produce a slim silhouette, the question remains, is it the best way?

 

[TheHoff]

It seems that darts are a quick and easy way for a shirtmaker to produce a slim silhouette, the question remains, is it the best way?

If you're over 30 and expect a fine shirt to last more than a few years, I'd say the adjustability makes it preferred over a shirt that is cut so precisely as to not allow an additional 15 pounds.

 

[itsstillmatt]

Originally Posted by Omegablogger

If you like darts

I'm playing devils advocate somewhat but there are English shirtmakers older than Italy itself. I think any argument that states that the "Italians do it that way" is a weak one. I don't think it's coincidence that the Italian way normally equates to the easier and cheaper way, regardless of what stylistic advantages they may hold.

It seems that darts are a quick and easy way for a shirtmaker to produce a slim silhouette, the question remains, is it the best way?
As there are cities in Italy that predate any activity in Britian. Why you make this argument I have no idea. Strike one. Next, you state that Italian shirtmakers do it the cheap and easy way, but nowhere in England can you find a dress shirt that is handsewn like you can find in many Italian cities. Strike two. Next?

 

[dopey]

Originally Posted by iammatt

As there are cities in Italy that predate any activity in Britian. Why you make this argument I have no idea. Strike one. Next, you state that Italian shirtmakers do it the cheap and easy way, but nowhere in England can you find a dress shirt that is handsewn like you can find in many Italian cities. Strike two.

Next?

Take this crap to the CE forum where it belongs.

 

[Omegablogger]

>As there are cities in Italy that predate any activity in Britian.

They say Ethiopia is the birthplace of man, I dare say you have no Ethiopians on your shirtmakers rosta

>Why you make this argument I have no idea.

I'm playing devils advocate somewhat

>Next, you state that Italian shirtmakers do it the cheap and easy way

Easier and cheaper, cheap and easy is China. I suppose I'm suggesting they do things the way the do because they don't know any other way, not necessarily because it's the best way.

>but nowhere in England can you find a dress shirt that is hand sewn like you can find in many Italian cities

I guess your right on that, I think it's a legacy from the Industrial revolution. We no longer have the knowledge being passed from generation to generation. I would guess the mere idea of hand sewing shirts would be viewed as mildly amusing by a Brit.

But I suppose we are getting a little off topic, I don't disagree with you, the Italians make the best shirts.

>Take this crap to the CE forum where it belongs.

This is an adult thread dopey, run along son.

 

[dopey]

Originally Posted by Omegablogger

This is an adult thread dopey, run along son.

Don't be ridiculous. Every time there is an adult thread here, J deletes it.