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Bespoke Quality Suit at Marks and Spencer ?!

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Tippo, Aug 19, 2012.

  1. Tippo

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    I wonder if anyone has seen this suit. Its an expensive sartorial range made in China £499 for the suit. I bought one last week and it is a very unusual RTW suit. The suit has a full floating canvas and what is very odd, all the buttonholes are handmade. And I mean handmade ! I examined the stitching with a X10 lens !! Has anyone seen a RTW with handmade buttonholes? Some Tom Fords have the lapel buttonhole made by hand but to have all 11 buttonholes handstitched is almost unheard of in the RTW world! Please have a look next time you're in M&S !!
     
  2. Ich_Dien

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  3. MikeDT

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    I believe the M&S sartorial suits and jackets are made by Sinoer in Shandong province. Sinoer seem to be one of the few Chinese suit makers, that does things like floating canvas, not glued, handmade button-holes, etc, as standard with RTW tailored garments.

    FYI http://sinoer.com/
     
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  4. add911_11

    add911_11 Well-Known Member

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    I brought one a while ago, sadly with the wrong size, hope that SFer enjoyed the quality of the garment.
     
  5. Tippo

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    thanks for the link,
    the online mail seems to be in chinese only ?
     
  6. MikeDT

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    They are a Chinese company, and I can read Chinese. :) There is an "English" button, has some information.


    They do state on their site that they make M&S Sartorial line, as well supplying Brooks Brothers. Whether M&S sources all their sartorial from this company, I don't know. I've been in the Sinoer stores in Jinan, Shandong, looked like they do good stuff. The RTW suits and jackets I saw appeared to be very high-quality, canvassed and hand finished. Which seemed quite unusual. Most tailored menswear I see in China is fused, and can be rather mediocre.
     
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  7. add911_11

    add911_11 Well-Known Member

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    Their Taboo shop seems rather disappointing.
     
  8. GBR

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    Whose "Taboo shop seems disappointing"?
     
  9. MikeDT

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    Doesn't look like they've got an official Taobao store, There's just half a dozen ties and couple of shirts from private vendors. I normally associate Taobao with cheap and knock-off. It's the Chinese version of Ebay, but worse. Tip: never buy Levi 501s from Taobao. :fu:

    Maybe they're already doing more than enough keeping M&S and Brooks supplied, as well as their own B&M stores? Many of the larger Chinese apparel companies have their own online stores, like Heilan, JoeOne or Vancl, or run them through T-mall, which is more like Amazon.
     
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    add911_11 Well-Known Member

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    No wonder why their Taobao e-merchant looks depressing.
     
  11. othertravel

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    So does this mean that M&S MTM is superior to Tom Ford, Zegna Couture, Brioni, etc...?
     
  12. Mark Seitelman

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    Oxxford sews the buttonholes by hand.

    Some of the Italian brands have handsewn buttonholes. Attolini comes to mind.
     
  13. Tippo

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    How much is an Attolini or a Tom Ford suit? 2- 4K ?
     
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  14. Tippo

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    There is no M&S MTM as far as I know. One must compare suits in similar price range
     
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    So the M&S is something 4-6 times less expensive than Attolini, Brioni, Zegna?

    Handsewn in Italy by Chinese or handswen in China by Chinese? The choice is yours.
     
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    Of course, full canvass and hand-sewn buttonholes are all fine and and very good value if the suit actually fits you. However, I thought one of the main points of full canvass and handsewing was that the chest could be made to fit to the individual's body more perfectly, so with bespoke tailoring or the better forms of MTM (the ones that actually do the measurements properly and make an indvidual pattern), this makes a big difference. But with RTW, this makes less of a difference, surely? Or at least, it will be hit and miss whether the jacket is going to fit your proportions anyway. Frankly, I'd rather pay for a good MTM service for only a little more than this than buy RTW, which almost never fit me (and this has been my past experience with M&S).
     
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    does not necessarily mean WELL sewn
     
  18. FlyingMonkey

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    A very good point. Perhaps you could do one of your patented deconstruction jobs on one of these M&S suits...
     
  19. add911_11

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    I will be interested in that review.
     
  20. jefferyd

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    Cross-posted from another thread

     

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