Twisting Seams on High End Denim. Poor Construction?

[tigerx]

maybe it'll take sometime for me to get use to it, but i usually don't like asymetrical things.

 

[LA Guy]

If you don't like the leg twist, don't buy unsanforized jeans. The twist occurs naturally as the fibers contract. You know that this means that the vast majority of the the Japanese repro brands are off limits. The True Religion jeans shown are actually designed with a nod towards this natural process as were the "twisted seam" jeans by Levis Engineered.. Even sanforized denim has some degree of twisting.

Don't contact the company unless you want people to get a good laugh.

 

[whodini]

Originally Posted by LA Guy

If you don't like the leg twist, don't buy unsanforized jeans. The twist occurs naturally as the fibers contract. You know that this means that the vast majority of the the Japanese repro brands are off limits. The True Religion jeans shown are actually designed with a nod towards this natural process as were the "twisted seam" jeans by Levis Engineered.. Even sanforized denim has some degree of twisting.

Don't contact the company unless you want people to get a good laugh.

Understatement of the year. The left leg on my SF5EP is already starting to turn counter-clockwise. Both legs on my Cone selvage Crates are turned at odd angles.

 

[a tailor]

who came up with this "twisted leg is ok" is nuts.
probably sales people making a sale.
then why are some twisted and some not? reasons for the twist.
1 the two legs were not cut an the straight grain of the denim.
this is done to save cloth.
2 the two sides of the seam were fed evenly into the machine.
this causes the seam to distort.

 

[entropy kid]

I guess it all depends on how you approach jeans. If you get a pair in raw denim to "personalize" it, to get fading and creases, to make it adapt to your body shape ... then leg twist is just part of the equation. Before sanforization came along there wasn't even such a thing as non-twisted jeans. Take a look at:
http://supertalk.superfuture.com/showthread.php?t=31273
for some REALLY twisted vintage ones...

 

[evilgeniusdan]

Originally Posted by whodini

Understatement of the year. The left leg on my SF5EP is already starting to turn counter-clockwise. Both legs on my Cone selvage Crates are turned at odd angles.
+1, the right leg of my RB15 twists as well. I don't really mind that much though.

 

[keykoo]

I can't really comment on if quality causes jeans to twist more or not... for me its more of an aesthetic that turns me off...

For what its worth my current rotation of denim have no badly twisted seams and they include 10 dollar bargain Gap jeans all the way to 45rpms.

 

[Souper]

dunno what you're talking about, 45 rpm seams twist pretty hard...

 

[sidney]

Front Selvagez!

 

[whatsinaname]

All this "twisting" would make sense if the jeans were =not= cut on the straight grain. I've always assumed that "selvedge" jeans were cut slightly off grain to get the selvedge in (most of) the leg seam. Am I right or wrong? I wonder if selvedge cutting was originally done as a cost savings measure and that has gotten swept up the quest for vintage ... ?

 

[codymk127]

i dont mind it. but yea it is due to poor construction.

 

[Souper]

For me it goes both ways, I love my almost non-twisting 5eps and my 45rpm jomons would feel very weird without the left leg twist.

I don't cuff at all and noone really notices, because the leg twist on my jomons is about 10 o clock, which is certainly fine since it gets hidden in the break.

 

[capnpyro]

I'd read somewhere or was told a long time ago that leg twist occurs from mass produced jeans, when being stamp cut the ones near the bottom tend to shift out of place making it slightly off, giving you twist. True/False?

 

[sidney]

Originally Posted by capnpyro

I'd read somewhere or was told a long time ago that leg twist occurs from mass produced jeans, when being stamp cut the ones near the bottom tend to shift out of place making it slightly off, giving you twist. True/False?

Interesting note to your question is regardless of the answer... the Japanese companies are dedicated to the craft of reproductions. To them, a fault is still an attribute of the jean you aspire to recreate... which goes to say that the authentic equipment they use will replicate whatever tendencies the originals had in construction.

Bad construction or not, it's a moot point to the p.o.v. of Japanese denim companies who cater to a collector's interests (or someone who appreciates the repro aesthetic).

 

[Tokyo Slim]

Easy solution is just to twist your legs.