The Watch Appreciation Thread - Part two (Rolex, Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Jaeger LeCoultre,

[Scuppers]

That one reminds me of that one rather tasteless sex pest-y Richard Mille, only far less graphic. Maybe still not entirely family friendly though, don’t want the kids getting addicted to slots.

Negate that thought. What would you rather?; some Anderson Appreciation or non-consequential GP…

 

[Ambulance Chaser]

Frank Muller?

Go…

I like his classic designs. His tonneau-shaped watches with exploding numerals that he is known for, not so much.

 

[Scuppers]

Negate that thought. What would you rather?; some Anderson Appreciation or non-consequential GP…

Well that was a predictive mess.

read between the lines… if possible

I like his classic designs. His tonneau-shaped watches with exploding numerals that he is known for, not so much.

a few good men… FM‘s contribution to Horology seems to be a side note. So unjust.

 

[Scuppers]

I am not a stock broker but I think that that old ww.tc is a pretty cool model.

It is… and a barrier breaker.

 

[Kappelan]

Frank Muller?

Go…

 

[Dino944]

That's certainly possible, after all with the Overseas Ultrathin they've proven their affinity for precious metals only for pieces they want to be special and rare. On the other hand, they've also proven before that the they're not afraid of working with steel - the Cornes de Vache and the 1942 Triple Calendar both come in steel and they're also parts of the Historiques collection. And they seem somewhat intent on some degree of historical accuracy, a big part of the reason the yellow gold came first is because the yellow gold was the rarest in the original run of the 222. So we'll just have to wait and see I suppose.

With regards to the GMT Master II, it really is a case of the Overseas being a really special watch, and I don't know if I'm ready to have such an important piece in my collection yet. The GMT Master II on the other hand is relatively "normal" watch that's pretty practical with the second timezone, and definitely not one that I would feel bad about mistreating. I supposes it's just down to whether or not I feel worthy of owning a haute horologie sports watch or if a "pedestrian" Rolex is more suitable for someone of my stature. Call me insecure I guess!

I think their making the Cornes de Vache and 1942 Triple calendar in steel, is more a function of they already made the Cornes de Vache and the 1948 Triple Calendar (similar movement to the 1942) in gold, and they aren't huge sellers, and the R&D was already done on those, so they might as well offer some at a lower price point. The 222 has a huge following and people on various forums have wanted to see its return to the collection for many years. VC probably knows they can move as many 222s in gold as they can make, so they don't need to make it in steel.

I guess I'm not sure what you mean that you aren't sure your ready to have such an important piece in your collection? If buying it won't put you under a financial strain, and you love it, go for it! In time, it will only end up costing you more with price increases (sorry that's the enabler in me ) . The Overseas is intended to be a daily wearer. It's not a dainty delicate dress watch. It's water resistant to 150m, and it has a chunky case with heavy bracelet so it can withstand daily use. I'm not saying you should wear and intentionally beat the sh*t out of it, but wearing it for average daily things won't hurt it. I've had a RO Jumbo/Ultrathin (a more delicate watch than an Overseas) for more than a decade and worn it as a daily wearer for many years. I take care of my watches, and don't wear them to work on cars or for activities that I know will scrape them up, and mine still look very good even with daily wear. Wishing you luck with your decision!

Here is a recent photo of my RO after more than a decade of ownership and it serving as a daily wearer for many years.

 

[Scuppers]

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His early model jumping hour was a stand out in his ouevre.
granted., had many pieces of note.
Thought his greatest collaboration was with Paul Gerber, no doubt.

 

[Scuppers]

I think their making the Cornes de Vache and 1942 Triple calendar in steel, is more a function of they already made the Cornes de Vache and the 1948 Triple Calendar (similar movement to the 1942) in gold, and they aren't huge sellers, and the R&D was already done on those, so they might as well offer some at a lower price point. The 222 has a huge following and people on various forums have wanted to see its return to the collection for many years. VC probably knows they can move as many 222s in gold as they can make, so they don't need to make it in steel.

I guess I'm not sure what you mean that you aren't sure your ready to have such an important piece in your collection? If buying it won't put you under a financial strain, and you love it, go for it! In time, it will only end up costing you more with price increases (sorry that's the enabler in me ) . The Overseas is intended to be a daily wearer. It's not a dainty delicate dress watch. It's water resistant to 150m, and it has a chunky case with heavy bracelet so it can withstand daily use. I'm not saying you should wear and intentionally beat the sh*t out of it, but wearing it for average daily things won't hurt it. I've had a RO Jumbo/Ultrathin (a more delicate watch than an Overseas) for more than a decade and worn it as a daily wearer for many years. I take care of my watches, and don't wear them to work on cars or for activities that I know will scrape them up, and mine still look very good even with daily wear. Wishing you luck with your decision!

Here is a recent photo of my RO after more than a decade of ownership and it serving as a daily wearer for many years.

Has your application for the diplomatic core been processed?

 

[Dino944]

That's true. I'm also wondering why we don't see a reissue of the Ingenieur. As for GP, I think they were in the integrated bracelet game with Laureato before it became a trend. But these days unfortunately the brand is known mostly for the Lureauto model.

Yes, GP introduced their Laureato back in the 1970s, after the RO, but before Patek released the Nautilus.
Although, the bracelet looked different on the original models and the overhang that goes towards the bracelet was quite short. The modern version has a more conventional bracelet design and has a solid section leading into the first actual bracelet link.

Here is the original version.

Modern version.

 

[symphvaria]

I think their making the Cornes de Vache and 1942 Triple calendar in steel, is more a function of they already made the Cornes de Vache and the 1948 Triple Calendar (similar movement to the 1942) in gold, and they aren't huge sellers, and the R&D was already done on those, so they might as well offer some at a lower price point. The 222 has a huge following and people on various forums have wanted to see its return to the collection for many years. VC probably knows they can move as many 222s in gold as they can make, so they don't need to make it in steel.

I guess I'm not sure what you mean that you aren't sure your ready to have such an important piece in your collection? If buying it won't put you under a financial strain, and you love it, go for it! In time, it will only end up costing you more with price increases (sorry that's the enabler in me ) . The Overseas is intended to be a daily wearer. It's not a dainty delicate dress watch. It's water resistant to 150m, and it has a chunky case with heavy bracelet so it can withstand daily use. I'm not saying you should wear and intentionally beat the sh*t out of it, but wearing it for average daily things won't hurt it. I've had a RO Jumbo/Ultrathin (a more delicate watch than an Overseas) for more than a decade and worn it as a daily wearer for many years. I take care of my watches, and don't wear them to work on cars or for activities that I know will scrape them up, and mine still look very good even with daily wear. Wishing you luck with your decision!

Here is a recent photo of my RO after more than a decade of ownership and it serving as a daily wearer for many years.

The price increases are a very true point that I'd completely forgotten. We've gone from about $20k to $22.5k in the last 6 years, and there will be yet another price increase this year as always. I suppose with these sorts of things, sooner is better than never. Really, the only thing that's keeping me back is the nervosa that there may be a 39-40mm or similarly sized Overseas sometime in the future that would fit my (and most peoples', really) wrist better than the 41mm.

That Jumbo is stunning on your wrist by the way. I don't know if it's a watch I could pull off simply because the hard industrial aesthetics would clash with my sensibilities, but I kind of wish I could.

Yes, GP introduced their Laureato back in the 1970s, after the RO, but before Patek released the Nautilus.
Although, the bracelet looked different on the original models and the overhang that goes towards the bracelet was quite short. The modern version has a more conventional bracelet design and has a solid section leading into the first actual bracelet link.

Here is the original version.
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Modern version.
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It's funny, because I've known for a while that the Laureato came before the Nautilus and the Ingenieur SL, but I always found it odd that the modern iterations also had an obviously Nautilus/Ingenieur SL inspired bracelet and I wasn't sure who copped the look from who. I guess I should have looked up a vintage Laureato to find my answer. Dated as it may look, I do think it's a way less generically Genta-inspired design, and I kind of wish they had put in the effort to modernize it rather than taking the easy way out.

 

[Ambulance Chaser]

I'm coming around on the Laureato. It competes with the Bulgari Octo Finissimo and the Chopard Alpine Eagle rather than the Royal Oak and Nautilus, and I like it more than the Bulgari and the Chopard. (Granted, the Bulgari is the only one I have seen in the metal.) If I was in the market for an integrated-bracelet, SS sports watch at the $15K and less price point, I would give it serious consideration.

 

[flipstah]

Anyone following the LVMH Watch Week?

Heuer chrono mmmm

Boring.

 

[9thsymph]

Really sorry to hear that. Wishing you and your family my sincere condolences about having to put your dog down. Been there and it sucks!

Thanks, sir!

 

[symphvaria]

I'm coming around on the Laureato. It competes with the Bulgari Octo Finissimo and the Chopard Alpine Eagle rather than the Royal Oak and Nautilus, and I like it more than the Bulgari and the Chopard. (Granted, the Bulgari is the only one I have seen in the metal.) If I was in the market for an integrated-bracelet, SS sports watch at the $15K and less price point, I would give it serious consideration.

I still struggle with the fact that you can basically trace every element of the modern Laureato back to a Genta watch. The original was already pushing it with the octagonal bezel, but the case and bracelet were fairly novel and striking, all things considered. The modern one really just is a screwless Royal Oak with a Nautilus bracelet, and it's hard in my eyes at least to envision someone wearing one without having implicit undertones of "man I wish I owned a Royal Oak/Nautilus".

I find the Bvlgari to be a really interesting design because it's secretly a Genta design, and as a whole it takes the octagon motif to a much higher level than the Royal Oak ever did. From that point of view, it could be argued that it's the more integrated and cohesive design. I doubt it will ever be as iconic though, the silhouette is simply too complicated in comparison and it definitely doesn't have the benefit of coming second. I'm told it doesn't wear too well on the bracelet in practice unfortunately, too thin.

The Chopard is one I really don't like very much. It needs no saying where the unnecessary bezel screws come from, and the roman numerals look terribly out of place, being lost on a sports watch and being the exact same size and font as the other indices, so you get a watch that looks like it reads "12 1 1 3 1 1 6 1 1 9 1 1". I also really don't like the stolen ears from the Nautilus (which I didn't even notice until someone in this thread posted an angled shot of the watch), and last but certainly not least, it was pointed out to me that the dial looks like something of a blue puckered starfish. Just not a very inspired design and the original elements definitely aren't flattering either.

 

[mak1277]

Anyone following the LVMH Watch Week?

Heuer chrono mmmm

Boring.

Why it needs to be a limited edition though!?