The MBA Thread

[bananananana]

Anyone have recommendations for accounting books to prep for the waiver test? I found a link for the Wharton one w/ a sample test and topics, now need to find a book to learn the stuff from. I have no exposure/experience w/ accounting fwiw.

 

[Texasmade]

Get some CPA review books for the FAR section of the CPA exam.

 

[Allen]

So, I don't have an MBA right now. But I'm contemplating getting one at some point. Is it worth it?

 

[Joenobody0]

Originally Posted by Allen

So, I don't have an MBA right now. But I'm contemplating getting one at some point. Is it worth it?

 

[pebblegrain]

Originally Posted by Allen

So, I don't have an MBA right now. But I'm contemplating getting one at some point. Is it worth it?

yes... and no

 

[Joenobody0]

Originally Posted by pebblegrain

yes... and no

I strongly disagree with you. Clearly the answer is "no... and yes".

 

[CunningSmeagol]

If you're out of college, you have no shot at the NBA.

 

[yjeezle]

UT Austin is one of my target schools.... do any elite consulting firms consider this school a target school?

does anyone know what auditors do and what their salary looks like out of b-school?

 

[Lord-Barrington]

Originally Posted by yjeezle

UT Austin is one of my target schools.... do any elite consulting firms consider this school a target school?

does anyone know what auditors do and what their salary looks like out of b-school?

Elite consulting firms might target UT Austin for energy but that's probably about it. MBB only "target" a few schools but that doesn't mean they won't recruit students from others.

 

[Texasmade]

Originally Posted by yjeezle

UT Austin is one of my target schools.... do any elite consulting firms consider this school a target school?

does anyone know what auditors do and what their salary looks like out of b-school?

If you do audit at a Big 4 out of B school you'll start at the bottom as a 1st year staff and you're starting salary in Houston/Dallas will be around $50g give or take a couple of g's.

You're better off going to the advisory side of the Big 4 or consulting at Deloitte.

 

[yjeezle]

for MBA?

what is advisory side?

 

[pebblegrain]

Originally Posted by Texasmade

If you do audit at a Big 4 out of B school you'll start at the bottom as a 1st year staff and you're starting salary in Houston/Dallas will be around $50g give or take a couple of g's.

You're better off going to the advisory side of the Big 4 or consulting at Deloitte.

hmm I'm no expert but I don't know a single entry-level MBA job what is in the 50k range, unless you mean a non-profit or Teach For America type ****

 

[Storm33]

I found the following story interesting...

Would You Pay $172,200 for This MBA?

by John A. Byrne
Monday, May 16, 2011


Sticker shock. The term doesn't only apply to luxury cars and yachts. For most newcomers to the Executive MBA game, one of the early and big surprises is exactly how much the top programs cost.

For all the hand-wringing over the cost of a full-time MBA, it turns out that the most expensive graduate business degrees in the world are not the highly publicized two-year, full-time experiences at places like Harvard and Stanford. Instead, the bulging price tags are on elite part-time programs designed for mid-career executives.

The most costly Executive MBA in the world? It's Wharton's 24-month MBA for executives at its West Coast campus in downtown San Francisco. At a cost of $172,200, students are effectively paying nearly $250 an hour for the pleasure of sitting in a class with 50 other people. That's nearly $100 more per contact hour with faculty than the regular full-time MBAs at Wharton pay. For every one of the roughly 700 hours a Wharton professor teaches Executive MBAs, the school is collecting a tidy $12,300.

Wharton Rakes It In

The second most expensive? It's also Wharton's Executive MBA program, this time on the East Coast, where the tuition and fees now come to $162,300. Those considerable sums compare with the $108,000 in total tuition and fees forked over by the full-time students back on the main Philadelphia campus. Wharton's Executive MBA business alone now brings in more than $35 million in annual revenues, with little more than 400 total students.

Why the Difference In Cost

Why is there such a big difference in the cost of these top-ranked EMBA programs over those at other schools? "It's like anything else, whether you're talking about buying Pepsi or Sam's brand of cola," says Michael Desiderio, executive director of the Executive MBA Council, the trade group representing EMBA programs. "There is a value inherently tied to a brand."

In fact, the average cost of an EMBA program, says Desiderio, is only $65,655. "So it's a huge continuum, ranging from a low of $30,000 to a high of $170,000."

Anjani Jain, Wharton's vice dean, MBA Program for Executives, obviously thinks Wharton programs are worth the premium. "The cost of the program, when normalized with respect to the number of contact hours and the inclusion of room and board during program weekends, is actually comparable to that of peer institutions," Jain insists. "Many other EMBA programs have substantially fewer contact hours, or don't include room and board in the base tuition."

Of course, at the high end, as Jain points out, Wharton's program is a premium experience that includes meals, accommodations, and professors who are among the best business faculty in the world. In Philadelphia, execs stay on alternating Friday nights in Wharton's fairly plush executive education residence facility, while in San Francisco, they're put up in at the upscale Hotel Le Meridian in the financial district within walking distance of Wharton's West Coast campus. For another, many business schools believe there is less price sensitivity in a market catering to already successful executives in their mid-to-late 30s who don't have to quit their jobs to get the executive version of the MBA degree.

Executive MBA Programs Tend to Be Costly

No wonder there are now nearly two dozen Executive MBA programs around the world that cost six figures. Increasingly, the most expensive programs feature international excursions for which meals and accommodations are covered (though airfare is not). Duke University's Global Executive MBA program, for example, boasts five residential sessions, with 60% of the classroom time in Asia, Europe and the Middle East. It carries a $146,600 price tag that includes lodging and meals. Or there is Trium, a three-way collaborative program among New York University, the London School of Economics, and HEC Paris. That program costs $140,000.

Six Figures: World's Most Expensive Executive MBA Programs
School Tuition & Fees / App Fee
1. Pennsylvania (Wharton), San Francisco, CA $172,200 / $180
2. Pennsylvania (Wharton), Philadelphia, CA $162,300 / $180
3. Northwestern (Kelloggg), Evanston, IL $153,900 / $150
4. Berkeley (Haas)/Columbia, Berkeley, CA & New York, NY $150,000 / $200
5. Columbia Business School, New York, NY $148,320 / $250
6. Duke (Fuqua) Global EMBA, Durham, NC $146,600 / $200
7. London Business School/Columbia, London & New York $144,156 / $260
8. New York (Stern), New York, NY $144,000 / $215
9. Chicago (Booth), Chicago, IL $142,000 / $100
10. Trium: NYU/LSE/HEC, New York, London, Paris $140,000 / None
11. Cornell (Johnson), Ithaca, NY $138,800 / $150
12. IMD, Lausanne, Switzerland $132,500 / $210
13. Michigan (Ross), Ann Arbor, MI $130,000 / $200
14. London/HKU/Columbia, London, Hong Kong, New York $127,920 / $200
15. Kellogg/HK Univ. of Science & Tech, Evanston, IL & Hong Kong $124,500 / $200
16. INSEAD, Fontainebleau, France $122,400 / $270
17. Southern California (Marshall), Los Angeles, LA $111,000 / $150
18. Georgetown (McDonough), Washington, D.C. $110,000 / $175
19. Rutgers University, Newark, NJ $110,000 / $110
20. UCLA (Anderson), Los Angeles, CA $108,240 / $200
21. Pepperdine (Graziadio), Los Angeles, CA $105,650 / $100
22. Cornell/Queens, Ithaca, NY & Kingston, Ontario $103,680 / None
*Source: School websites


What's Driving Up the Costs

One of the biggest trends in Executive MBAs is the spread of global programs, often among schools in different areas of the world. Efforts to give executives a true international experience, sometimes on several continents, have driven up the costs of many of these programs and resulted in novel and unusual partnerships.

One example: The Trium program among New York University's Stern School, the London School of Economics, and HEC Paris that includes modules in China and India for $140,000 a pop. More recently, Spain's IE Business School launched a new Executive MBA program with Brown University in Providence, RI., a university with a great brand but no business school. At $95,000, that program is comparatively a bargain.

Just as surprising, even some of the super-premium, super-priced programs aren't all-inclusive. Take INSEAD's Global Executive program in Singapore, France, and Abu Dhabi. Now in its eighth year, the program requires 12 weeks of residential study. But even at a hefty price of $122,400, accommodations and dinners are not included. The same is true of IMD's Executive MBA program, whose students are brought to India, China and Silicon Valley. Even though the program costs $132,500, it fails to include either lodging -- and IMD estimates that the estimated cost of accommodations during the program is more than $27,000.

Perhaps the biggest surprise about these high prices is that over the past ten years, fewer and fewer executives are now sponsored by their companies. So now the executives who enroll in these programs more often than not have to pay their own pay. "When many of these programs were started, most students were fully sponsored and some schools wouldn't accept you unless you had a sponsorship letter," adds Desiderio. "At the 210 schools in our membership today, only 35% of the student population is fully funded. That is a dramatic change from a decade ago. Part of it is just the way companies have changed in how they view reimbursement with so many people moving from company to company. I also think companies have felt the pinch and they may want their employees to have some skin in the game."

Marketing the Program: An Experience with a Hefty Price Tag

At the University of Chicago's Booth School of Business, where the Executive MBA program includes stints in London and Singapore, the $142,000 tuition looks steep but a bargain compared to some others. Patty Keegan, associate dean of Booth's EMBA program, says the actual tuition for the executive classes is the same as it is for full-time MBA students. "We don't charge a premium," Keegan insists. The cost of an Executive MBA is higher because "it's what is included in the experience. We package the program as an experience with one price tag."

No matter how you cut it, these are expensive experiences. The question is, are they worth it?

 

[DaveB]

Originally Posted by yjeezle

for MBA? what is advisory side?
I don't think big4 will care that you have an MBA if your doing assurance, it doesn't trump a year of experience and you are going to be put on the same progression track as someone with a MS in accounting or 150 hrs/120 hrs in applicable states so why would they pay you more to do the same job? Advisory may be a different story because the margins are higher and your MBA may be applicable. edit- This assuming you have no work exp

 

[Texasmade]

Originally Posted by pebblegrain

hmm I'm no expert but I don't know a single entry-level MBA job what is in the 50k range, unless you mean a non-profit or Teach For America type ****

You must not have ever worked in Big 4 audit or tax then where no one gives a **** about having an MBA. Usually the only thing that matters is how many busy seasons you've worked and a CPA license.

yjeezle
Big 4 usually have 3 practices: audit, tax, and advisory. Deloitte is the lone exception which has 4 as they have the 3 practices and a consulting practice. Don't ask me what the difference between consulting and advisory is for Deloitte since I don't work there. You might want to check out their websites which breaksdown the practices.

Audits perform assurance/attestation services.

Tax will do tax compliance and tax consulting.

Advisory usually handles everything else such as audit support, IT consulting, actuarial services, transaction services, etc.