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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by T4phage, Dec 13, 2003.

  1. T4phage

    T4phage Well-Known Member

    Nov 12, 2003
    In various discussion both here and at Andy's, I have yet to see mention of Ravazzolo and Belvest.

    In my opinion, these two manufacturers are great starter suits, I bought a Ravazzolo for my B.S walk, and then a Belvest for my doctorate. I got them both at Barcelinos at the Embarcadero in SF. These two got me started towards Brioni, Kiton, Attolini, etc.

    At the time, these were cheaper than Canali, Zegna, Zileri, and Isaia. Any opinions?
  2. A Harris

    A Harris Well-Known Member

    Jan 6, 2003
    Unfortunately I don't think they are as cheap anymore - Belvest starts at around $1900 from what I've seen. I've never seen Ravazzolo at retail since I haven't yet been in Barcelino. But I'm thinking they are more than Canali and Zileri. Great suits both, I prefer Belvest to Ravazzolo and either of them to regular Zegna.

    On a slightly related note, DNR recently published a list of the top 10 Italian tailored cloting firms, by 2001 sales figures:

    1) Zegna with $710 million

    2) Canali with $151 million

    3) Forall (Pal Zileri) with $124 million

    4) Brioni with $115 million

    5) Corneliani with $113 million

    6) Urbis (Tombolini) with $55 million

    7) SanRemo (Gr. Inghirami) with $50 million

    8) Cantarelli with $44 million (that includes Saint Andrews)

    9) Belvest with $38 million

    10) Kiton with $36 million

    I was surprised to see that Belvest edged out Kiton. And to say that Zegna has a chokehold on the market is certainly an understatement.
  3. Alias

    Alias Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2003
    Washington DC
    It's all Adrien Brody's fault. I wish I looked that good in a Zegna.
  4. T4phage

    T4phage Well-Known Member

    Nov 12, 2003
    In my opinion, Ravazzolo is definitely higher in the food chain compared to Canali and Zileri (about the same level as Satoriale.it). There is more hand work to the Ravazzolo, and the fabrics they use are superior.

    That list you provided is quite surprising, especially the ranking of Kiton. I always thought that they would be higher due to the fact that I have seen lots of stores, especially in Germany who carry the brand, plus the cost of thier suitings. Yes, they pay their tailors a premium (well, not enough to keep thier head tailor from being poached by Borrelli), but so do many others.
  5. naturlaut

    naturlaut Well-Known Member

    Feb 27, 2003
    Well, Kiton is not a very big company. So far they have few flagship stores (one in Japan, and one in New York), plus Zegna is definitely a much more recognized global name than Kiton. To many uninformed men, Zegna to them is Kiton to you. Also, bear in mind that Zegna practically makes suits for everybody from Armani to Dunhill.

    Artisan productions never make as much money as mass-produced operations, from suits to shirts to shoes to even other things --- do you think Toraya (Japanese wagashi confectioney maker) makes more money or Rieses?

    Back to original topic, I have nothing to complain about Belvest. It is an excellent maker and good value. I just looked at some Belvest winter suits today, and I had to run out of the store (Swank Shop in Hong Kong) pretty quickly before I make yet another impulse buy. Do you know if they make shirts too?
  6. Mr_Sweden

    Mr_Sweden Active Member

    Nov 17, 2003
    Stockholm, Sweden
    Yes, they do make shirts. I have seen a few of them at a store in Stockholm, Sweden.

    /Mr Sweden

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