John Elliott - official affiliate thread

[cjaz]

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....The playful attitude is what the men’s side desperately needs.

Definitely agree with the playful attitude on the women’s side. My wife has a few items and she loves them.

I’m just frustrated in a way. In the beginning, the attention to detail permeated through the brand. To see it come from the original flash hoodie to the current beach is disheartening. I’m not talking fit, or style. This is about attention to detail. Look at the inside out comparison of the original flash and beach hoodie. For such a detailed oriented brand, this lack of detail wasn’t merely overlooked. It was deliberate. Seems like a money grab for the hype train catching a ride a few years back.

 

[j023]

I think the beach is really good if you size up

I have only had the Boucle, and it’s TTS. Love the fit, as It seems like it runs big compared to the size guide.

 

[cjaz]

To be clear, the pic above was the original website flash hoodie. They had this odd run of boutique stuff prior to the website launch. The hoodies basically hit your knee caps and they had odd diagonal barrel cuffs that nearly covered your hands. Only stuff I have from pre johnelliott.co are the “handmade in los angeles” tees and today, I still grab those first.

 

[wurlwyde]

Definitely agree with the playful attitude on the women’s side. My wife has a few items and she loves them.

I’m just frustrated in a way. In the beginning, the attention to detail permeated through the brand. To see it come from the original flash hoodie to the current beach is disheartening. I’m not talking fit, or style. This is about attention to detail. Look at the inside out comparison of the original flash and beach hoodie. For such a detailed oriented brand, this lack of detail wasn’t merely overlooked. It was deliberate. Seems like a money grab for the hype train catching a ride a few years back.

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Visually (I can’t hold these to tell you 100%) it appears the only difference between these two is the use of an interlock machine on the left and an over lock machine on the right (there’s also neck tape on the left but I’m assuming you’re pointing to the exposed seams). I know that they’ve marketed it as being revolutionary, but it’s just marketing. An interlock is generally used in athletic gear so the seams are flat and don’t chaff in things like running tights (etc). In most garments, the use of an overlock seam (the one on the right) is not an issue with a few exceptions (most being athletic and some autism issues). In most factories, the machines sit right next to each other. Interlock machines are more expensive and some factories don’t have them because of the expense, but it’s more a designers choice as to whether or not they want to use them.

 

[nsubrmnn]

Definitely agree with the playful attitude on the women’s side. My wife has a few items and she loves them.

I’m just frustrated in a way. In the beginning, the attention to detail permeated through the brand. To see it come from the original flash hoodie to the current beach is disheartening. I’m not talking fit, or style. This is about attention to detail. Look at the inside out comparison of the original flash and beach hoodie. For such a detailed oriented brand, this lack of detail wasn’t merely overlooked. It was deliberate. Seems like a money grab for the hype train catching a ride a few years back.

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Oh man I’m glad you’re here, this is an interesting discussion. I fell in love with the brand because of the “layering”, it permeated through JE’s DNA for some time. You could rock a villain, with a Mercer underneath and if you were crafty a Mercer tank and they would layer perfectly. There was thought and purpose put into how things worked against each other. Every item was made with relation to the other. This layering motif was also seen in the cast 2 denim with the layered pockets and waist bands, in the shoes (high tops with the layered throat, the AF1 with the layered panels of leather/tongues, etc etc).
But now the thing that got them big, and peaked my interest, is gone. There aren’t layered portions in the denim, the made in house shoes are gone, and the shirts don’t layer well with the terry and outerwear. Now JE outer wear is hella cropped and if you wear an AE with a thumper it looks like you’re wearing a dress. ??‍♂️
I think seasons continue to have a “trend” or “idea” but they all seem like they are built as individual pieces rather than a whole like before.

 

[nsubrmnn]

Visually (I can’t hold these to tell you 100%) it appears the only difference between these two is the use of an interlock machine on the left and an over lock machine on the right (there’s also neck tape on the left but I’m assuming you’re pointing to the exposed seams). I know that they’ve marketed it as being revolutionary, but it’s just marketing. An interlock is generally used in athletic gear so the seams are flat and don’t chaff in things like running tights (etc). In most garments, the use of an overlock seam (the one on the right) is not an issue with a few exceptions (most being athletic and some autism issues). In most factories, the machines sit right next to each other. Interlock machines are more expensive and some factories don’t have them because of the expense, but it’s more a designers choice as to whether or not they want to use them.

You sound like someone that might know a thing or two ?

 

[zabo358]

Oh man I’m glad you’re here, this is an interesting discussion. I fell in love with the brand because of the “layering”, it permeated through JE’s DNA for some time. You could rock a villain, with a Mercer underneath and if you were crafty a Mercer tank and they would layer perfectly. There was thought and purpose put into how things worked against each other. Every item was made with relation to the other. This layering motif was also seen in the cast 2 denim with the layered pockets and waist bands, in the shoes (high tops with the layered throat, the AF1 with the layered panels of leather/tongues, etc etc).
But now the thing that got them big, and peaked my interest, is gone. There aren’t layered portions in the denim, the made in house shoes are gone, and the shirts don’t layer well with the terry and outerwear. Now JE outer wear is hella cropped and if you wear an AE with a thumper it looks like you’re wearing a dress. ??‍♂️
I think seasons continue to have a “trend” or “idea” but they all seem like they are built as individual pieces rather than a whole like before.

Not totally disagreeing on the AE point but I will say JE has shortened their AE’s the past few seasons (which I appreciate) making them much easier to layer under a thumper or a sly hem.

 

[cjaz]

Visually (I can’t hold these to tell you 100%) it appears the only difference between these two is the use of an interlock machine on the left and an over lock machine on the right (there’s also neck tape on the left but I’m assuming you’re pointing to the exposed seams). I know that they’ve marketed it as being revolutionary, but it’s just marketing. An interlock is generally used in athletic gear so the seams are flat and don’t chaff in things like running tights (etc). In most garments, the use of an overlock seam (the one on the right) is not an issue with a few exceptions (most being athletic and some autism issues). In most factories, the machines sit right next to each other. Interlock machines are more expensive and some factories don’t have them because of the expense, but it’s more a designers choice as to whether or not they want to use them.

Great insight. I don’t know anything about manufacturing processes and can only speak on the evolution with the brand from a visual standpoint.

Visually...the flash is clean inside and out. Sliding my arms through interlock stitching justifies the cost tremendously. Athletic purpose, or not, it just feels better. 7 years later, despite still opting to use interlock machines on the majority of hoodies since then, they opted not to for the beach hoodie. I have a hard time believing it’s design, or factory related, but maybe it is.

 

[wurlwyde]

You sound like someone that might know a thing or two ?

*goes to a factory one time*

 

[nick227]

Stone Island Shadow Project Bomber
Haze Uni Tee
Washed Black LA Sweats
Sail Icons with Pacsun socks

 

[wurlwyde]

Great insight. I don’t know anything about manufacturing processes and can only speak on the evolution with the brand from a visual standpoint.

Visually...the flash is clean inside and out. Sliding my arms through interlock stitching justifies the cost tremendously. Athletic purpose, or not, it just feels better. 7 years later, despite still opting to use interlock machines on the majority of hoodies since then, they opted not to for the beach hoodie. I have a hard time believing it’s design, or factory related, but maybe it is.

I don’t mean to undermine your initial point, because from the outside, I think there is validity to it. I think they’ve had tremendous success as a brand and are in a phase where they’re working to increase their margins/grow which seems to have incorporated simultaneously cutting costs and increasing prices.

As for the flat lock machine, I’m personally not a fan of it aesthetically because, to me, it lends itself to a “tech” look that I don’t like. I think an overlock by itself or with a cover stitch is cleaner. But, everyone has their own preferences. If their use of that machine or your preference for that seam is what makes those pieces worth it to you, who am I to disagree?

 

[MIKE_JE]

Great insight. I don’t know anything about manufacturing processes and can only speak on the evolution with the brand from a visual standpoint.

Visually...the flash is clean inside and out. Sliding my arms through interlock stitching justifies the cost tremendously. Athletic purpose, or not, it just feels better. 7 years later, despite still opting to use interlock machines on the majority of hoodies since then, they opted not to for the beach hoodie. I have a hard time believing it’s design, or factory related, but maybe it is.

While I'll choose not to get into every point here, because I have multiple times...the Beach Hoodie is 100% designed the way it is on purpose. The inside-out flat lock stitch is a design aesthetic specifically for slim-fit items, to make the seam flatter. You'll notice, we first stopped using it on design specific pieces when we introduced the Oversize Cropped Hoodie and Crewneck Pullover, which were intruduced on the runway in July 2015. It carries over in all items that have a more relaxed fit.

We are not cutting corners on anything - and are truly doing our best not only with the brand ethos but with our community during this time and always.

If you're interested in Spin Art on the Men's side, it's available here: https://www.mrporter.com/en-us/mens...opback-cotton-jersey-hoodie/14097096494276388

 

[Timbaland]

I think the beach is really good if you size up

You don't have issues with sleeve length when sizing up? I know the sleeves are longer than other hoodies but I got an XL and there's hella stacks. I might post a pic and ask you what you think, you have a good eye for fits

 

[cjaz]

While I'll choose not to get into every point here, because I have multiple times...the Beach Hoodie is 100% designed the way it is on purpose. The inside-out flat lock stitch is a design aesthetic specifically for slim-fit items, to make the seam flatter. You'll notice, we first stopped using it on design specific pieces when we introduced the Oversize Cropped Hoodie and Crewneck Pullover, which were intruduced on the runway in July 2015. It carries over in all items that have a more relaxed fit.

We are not cutting corners on anything - and are truly doing our best not only with the brand ethos but with our community during this time and always.

If you're interested in Spin Art on the Men's side, it's available here: https://www.mrporter.com/en-us/mens...opback-cotton-jersey-hoodie/14097096494276388

Attached are the OS cropped hoodie and crew from season 7. I see that the entire inside isn’t flat, but the back of the neck, cuffs, and waist are. Maybe I’m mistaken on what flat lock stitching actually is, but I’m referring to the “flatness” of the stitch. I’m not here to cause problems and question the integrity of the brand. My closet is 99% je and I’ve been a loyal customer prior to the website days.

 

[isculpt]

Can anyone explain why the beach hoodie's hood is so small? Thats my only real knock against it. It's almost purely decorative, which is kinda absurd for a "hoodie".