Greatest quarterback ever

[lawyerdad]

Originally Posted by BoilerRoom

Ugh, Terry Bradshaw? Seriously?

Sorry your Cowboys suck.

 

[lawyerdad]

I agree that championships depend on many other factors and thus can be overweighted. But at the end of the day, winning does count for something.

Also, if you're going to discount winning as a relevant factor, you also have to discount other stats to at least a certain extent. Having a decent (or better than decent) offensive line will make any QB's stats look a lot better. The same is true, perhaps to lesser extent, about the quality of receivers.

 

[montecristo#4]

Originally Posted by phreak

jesus ******* christ MC, at least act like you have read the thread

I couldn't because all the Manning ballwashing made me ill.

 

[The Deacon]

Originally Posted by iammatt

No, he is 7-8.

The greatest quarterback of all times is 4-0 in the Super Bowl, with a rating in those games of 127.8, eleven touchdowns and no interceptions, not that Super Bowls matter for quarterbacks at all.

Bart Starr?

 

[montecristo#4]

Originally Posted by lawyerdad

I agree that championships depend on many other factors and thus can be overweighted. But at the end of the day, winning does count for something.

Also, if you're going to discount winning as a relevant factor, you also have to discount other stats to at least a certain extent. Having a decent (or better than decent) offensive line will make any QB's stats look a lot better. The same is true, perhaps to lesser extent, about the quality of receivers.

Great point. The fact that Brady has gone 14-3 in the playoffs throwing mostly to David Givens, David Patten, Deion Branch, Reche Caldwell, and Jabar Gaffney says a lot compared to Manning's 7-8 record throwing to Marvin Harrison, Wayne, Clark, and Edge/Addai.

 

[Bradford]

Shouldn't Aikman be in this discussion somewhere?

He won 3 Super Bowls, had a 125 passer rating in 1993, was the first QB in Cowboy history to have three straight 3,000 yard passing seasons, won the Davey O'Brien award (for best QB) as a senior in college and is in the College and Pro Hall of Fame.

 

[itsstillmatt]

Originally Posted by Bradford

Shouldn't Aikman be in this discussion somewhere?

He won 3 Super Bowls, had a 125 passer rating in 1993, was the first QB in Cowboy history to have three straight 3,000 yard passing seasons, won the Davey O'Brien award (for best QB) as a senior in college and is in the College and Pro Hall of Fame.
I have a soft spot for Aikman. He was a member of my fraternity, and would come back and visit once in awhile while I was there. He is also a super nice guy. He was not, however, that level of quarterback, and his passer rating in '93 was 99, not 125

 

[binge]

I haven't really read the threak. But it doesn't matter, because the answer is Joe Montana.

 

[The Deacon]

Originally Posted by binge

I haven't really read the threak. But it doesn't matter, because the answer is Dan Marino.

Now we're talkin'.

 

[tiecollector]

Originally Posted by binge

I haven't really read the threak. But it doesn't matter, because the answer is Joe Montana's backup, Steve Young.

true.

 

[phreak]

Great point. The fact that Brady has gone 14-3 in the playoffs throwing mostly to David Givens, David Patten, Deion Branch, Reche Caldwell, and Jabar Gaffney says a lot compared to Manning's 7-8 record throwing to Marvin Harrison, Wayne, Clark, and Edge/Addai.

Great point. The fact that you ignore half of the equation is cool too.

this might be for another discussion, but does anyone actually think that marv would be anything worth talking about without peyton?

 

[lawyerdad]

Originally Posted by phreak

this might be for another discussion, but does anyone actually think that marv would be anything worth talking about without peyton?

Yes. I didn't follow him closely, but in his prime I saw him make some ridiculous plays.

 

[mtechnic]

if #12 wins one this year will he be tops? if he finished off the undefeated campaign?

Can he be the greatest if he is just the best field manager and maybe lacks the greatest arm?

 

[Tokyo Slim]

Originally Posted by mtechnic

if #12 wins one this year will he be tops? if he finished off the undefeated campaign?

Can he be the greatest if he is just the best field manager and maybe lacks the greatest arm?

I'd say Peyton is better. Brady has a lot of things going for him, but managing the game ON THE FIELD is one of the areas where Manning is all-world.

 

[needshoehelp]

I had to laugh at this picture today. He looks good, but what must his teammates think of him dressing like this upon boarding a transatlantic flight?