G & G Finishing Imperfections: Acceptable?

[cdmoore1855]

Originally Posted by Will

All to be expected in my experience. I had about a dozen pair of MTO and have given more than half away. The soles split and need regular trimming, something I have never had on any other shoes. The edges have blade marks. The sides of my boots were cut sloppily so there are ripples. They use shoe laces on boots. And on and on with small issues I never had with EG for the same money

Sounds like sour grapes to me

 

[celeste_pista]

edge dressing issue is nothing but sloppiness and would really piss me off on a pair mto. seems to be some bulging of teh leather as well that would fall under the acceptable, but dissapointing category. same for the beveled waist imconsistencies. imperfections, or shotty craftsmanship, is no way to show off tshe virtues of exquisite, hand made shoes.

unfortunatley this is one of those grey areas where there is nothing horrible, and op should not be a ***** complaining, but at the same time you splurged on a pair of shoes that should blow you away and you are understandably underwhelmed with this pair. explain that on the phone and see what G&G says/does...re-order accordingly.

 

[aj_del]

Originally Posted by cdmoore1855

Sounds like sour grapes to me

What ? Sour grapes is when you can't attain something and reconcile yourself. Not when you get something and are disappointed, as Will is

 

[apropos]

Pretty ironic, because that sounded like sour grapes to me.

 

[sinnedk]

i think if you paid 1k for shoes and did not get them in perfect condition they should be going back, in addition, there are some mto pairs of c&j that come up on the 1k price and those shouldnt come with any imperfections either, alden is a whole other mess that has issues on and off, but all this doesnt justify you not getting what you paid for

 

[bck]

Originally Posted by The Man

Patina (pronounce PAT in a) is a noun not a verb and only idiots apply it to shoes.

It's the look that new brass acquires with age or that green colour that the Statue of Liberty which is copper gets with age etc etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:St..._Liberty_7.jpg


I pronounce it PAH-tea-nah, as the word itself has Latin origins. And no, the word is not exclusive to oxidized copper and bronze.

 

[jamestct]

Originally Posted by Will

All to be expected in my experience. I had about a dozen pair of MTO and have given more than half away. The soles split and need regular trimming, something I have never had on any other shoes. The edges have blade marks. The sides of my boots were cut sloppily so there are ripples. They use shoe laces on boots. And on and on with small issues I never had with EG for the same money

The soles split?? Can you show pics of this? And what exactly are you trimming?

 

[commodorewheeler]

Originally Posted by apropos

Well, TBH that's what you get when you buy pre-antiqued shoes instead of patinating your shoes with time/wear.

Originally Posted by The Man

Patina (pronounce PAT in a) is a noun not a verb
"Patina" is a noun, but "patinate", the word that the OP used, is a verb. Look here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patinate

Originally Posted by The Man

and only idiots apply it to shoes. It's the look that new brass acquires with age or that green colour that the Statue of Liberty which is copper gets with age etc etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:St..._Liberty_7.jpg
From merriamwebster.com: pa·ti·na noun \\pə-ˈtē-nə, ˈpa-tə-nə\\ plural pa·ti·nas or pa·ti·nae Definition of PATINA 1a: a usually green film formed naturally on copper and bronze by long exposure or artificially (as by acids) and often valued aesthetically for its color b: a surface appearance of something grown beautiful especially with age or use 2: an appearance or aura that is derived from association, habit, or established character 3: a superficial covering or exterior

 

[quar]

Originally Posted by Will

All to be expected in my experience. I had about a dozen pair of MTO and have given more than half away. The soles split and need regular trimming, something I have never had on any other shoes. The edges have blade marks. The sides of my boots were cut sloppily so there are ripples. They use shoe laces on boots. And on and on with small issues I never had with EG for the same money

My friend had a sole split on a G&G pair. He sent them back, and they were fixed free of charge.

 

[Xenon]

Originally Posted by celeste_pista

edge dressing issue is nothing but sloppiness and would really piss me off on a pair mto. seems to be some bulging of teh leather as well that would fall under the acceptable, but dissapointing category. same for the beveled waist imconsistencies. imperfections, or shotty craftsmanship, is no way to show off tshe virtues of exquisite, hand made shoes.
.

When I first responded earlier I attributed what I saw to edge dressing or polish only and something I could fix in a few minutes myself prefectly. I personally consider antiquing on shoes to be simplistic and nothing to get concerned over. However a defect in the leather, bulging, cuts, scrapes or depressions are not acceptable and cannot be fixed to perfection by anyone. This sort of imperfection would probably classify a Lobb as a second.

 

[Mr. Pink]

After I had pulled the laces from my shoes intending to give them a good polish, I noticed these additional light spots on the vamps.

Of course, they are not quite so obvious without bright light. I emailed Nick at Bespoke England today. Nick emailed back immediately that the defects were unacceptable and that I should return the shoes to him at his expense. So kudos to Nick for customer service. We'll see how G&G does.

 

[Quadcammer]

wow, disappointing that G&G QC would not pick these things up.

 

[Roy]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pink

After I had pulled the laces from my shoes intending to give them a good polish, I noticed these additional light spots on the vamps.

Of course, they are not quite so obvious without bright light. I emailed Nick at Bespoke England today. Nick emailed back immediately that the defects were unacceptable and that I should return the shoes to him at his expense. So kudos to Nick for customer service. We'll see how G&G does.
You are making me feel happy that I ordered my G&Gs through Nick. Sounds like great customer service.

 

[fritzl]

Originally Posted by T4phage

if that is just edge dressing
as lance says
then no biggie rly

exactly

Originally Posted by T4phage

but if it is a cut
maybe while grinding the heel down
then not so good

correct

 

[countbaron]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pink

After I had pulled the laces from my shoes intending to give them a good polish, I noticed these additional light spots on the vamps.

Of course, they are not quite so obvious without bright light. I emailed Nick at Bespoke England today. Nick emailed back immediately that the defects were unacceptable and that I should return the shoes to him at his expense. So kudos to Nick for customer service. We'll see how G&G does.

good to see someone following my advice of keeping shoes in a fridge