Crockett & Jones for Ralph Lauren Cordovan (Marlow, Darlton, Gifford, Garran, Lindrick, McCallum, Rh

[othertravel]



Do you know if they are they labeled in US or UK sizing or both?

UK sizing.

 

[Webbo]



UK sizing.

I can throw a little light on the matter, but also muddy the waters. The sizes are indeed listed on the box as US, U.K. and European. However I am now a touch confused as today I bought a pair, I am a bang on U.K. Size 10 in the Pembroke and other C&J shoes on the 325 last but for these I had to go with the one labeled US10.5, UK 9.5. The US 11, UK 10 I tried on were too big, not just in Length too but in Width also. These are labeled as an E width, I think this means US E width not U.K. E. These even on the U.K. 9.5 are wider than my Pembroke UK10 E width.

In conclusion my firm view is that the Marlow Wingtip from RL is definitely 0.5 UK size bigger than the U.K. size shown on the box, so a U.K. 10 RL Marlow designation is actually a U.K. Size 10.5 when compared to other U.K. C&J 325 lasted shoes. Also I believe that the marking of E width on the box corresponds to a U.K. F width, again comparing to the Pembroke etc. maybe they are a true US E fitting.

I tried on the larger and smaller sizes in the shop and they all fell into this sizing model. Funnily enough my other C&J U.K. purchased 325 shoes on a size 10 UK with a designated E width are all just a touch tight so these I Marlows I have now are actually perfect with the little bit of extra width.

 

[Skelnik]

^ Thank you for the information.

I hope there is an adoption of some kind of international sizing in the near future. With the global interconnectivity of markets these days this seems glaringly antiquated.

 

[zjpj83]

Very helpful. Do they have an email, or does one have to call? Assume they will ship internationally?

 

[Vincent Chanal]

I can throw a little light on the matter, but also muddy the waters. The sizes are indeed listed on the box as US, U.K. and European. However I am now a touch confused as today I bought a pair, I am a bang on U.K. Size 10 in the Pembroke and other C&J shoes on the 325 last but for these I had to go with the one labeled US10.5, UK 9.5. The US 11, UK 10 I tried on were too big, not just in Length too but in Width also. These are labeled as an E width, I think this means US E width not U.K. E. These even on the U.K. 9.5 are wider than my Pembroke UK10 E width.

In conclusion my firm view is that the Marlow Wingtip from RL is definitely 0.5 UK size bigger than the U.K. size shown on the box, so a U.K. 10 RL Marlow designation is actually a U.K. Size 10.5 when compared to other U.K. C&J 325 lasted shoes. Also I believe that the marking of E width on the box corresponds to a U.K. F width, again comparing to the Pembroke etc. maybe they are a true US E fitting.

I tried on the larger and smaller sizes in the shop and they all fell into this sizing model. Funnily enough my other C&J U.K. purchased 325 shoes on a size 10 UK with a designated E width are all just a touch tight so these I Marlows I have now are actually perfect with the little bit of extra width.

Hi,

I have got the same clue than you. I have bought my Marlow in France and it is a 8US E/ 7UK. Actually it size like a 7.5UK to me but roomy enough ( size usualy 8UK E with C&J 325 last).
Compared to my Lindrick on 8UK E (C&J GMTO), it looks the same lenght but with a larger fit.

 

[alexSF]

I posted the same conclusion in this thread many times in the past.
RL shoes (every maker) sold outside USA are only and always US sized and in a wider width (US E for C&J, AE, Rancourt etc. or UK E for EG and G&G, both IIRC uk sized)

I can confirm that C&J RL shoes in US E feels slightly wider than UK E counterpart.
Talking of the cordovan models seems that US D is a UKD+, and the US E is a UKEx/F

The problem is that the conversion isn't clear at all, even in lenght sizing
I have the C&J Penny 314 last in UK 8.5E and the Marlow penny in US 9.5E,
The marlow penny is slightly longer and wider at the heels, oddly feeling like a UK 8.75 EX/F

 

[elsalvatrucha]

After years of looking I finally found the Cordovan Chukka in NWOB condition last week on ebay! The color has changed alot over the years

 

[coolarrow]

RL shell marlows on the subway(Filson crashes the pic):

 

[othertravel]

Hey guys,

It looks like you may be able to get the Marlows from London flagship for 523 pounds (VAT excluded) if they ship outside of Europe. About $690US not including shipping. I think they're 630 pounds including VAT for a few more days only.

 

[Allen Dreadmon]

After years of looking I finally found the Cordovan Chukka in NWOB condition last week on ebay! The color has changed alot over the years

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Nice find. NWOB too! I haven't come across the Chukka in my size on eBay.

Hey guys,

It looks like you may be able to get the Marlows from London flagship for 523 pounds (VAT excluded) if they ship outside of Europe. About $690US not including shipping. I think they're 630 pounds including VAT for a few more days only.

If anyone here is having hesitation, don't! These things aren't going lower in price. Heck, they're not even staying still.

 

[Skelnik]

Hey guys,

It looks like you may be able to get the Marlows from London flagship for 523 pounds (VAT excluded) if they ship outside of Europe. About $690US not including shipping. I think they're 630 pounds including VAT for a few more days only.

They quoted me £50 for shipping! Guess that would be about $750 total. All in all that's not bad especially if the sizing works out.

 

[losrockets]

Is Marlow PTB sizing is the same as the Wingtip? I've got the wingtip and it's comfortable w/ a tongue pad, in reality I'd probably be better off a quarter size down (9.25) on the wingtip but that doesn't exist. Sorry, I did a cursory search and couldn't find the old size chart.

 

[Churchill W]

Is Marlow PTB sizing is the same as the Wingtip? I've got the wingtip and it's comfortable w/ a tongue pad, in reality I'd probably be better off a quarter size down (9.25) on the wingtip but that doesn't exist. Sorry, I did a cursory search and couldn't find the old size chart.

They feel pretty similar to me.

 

[BenjaminHJ]

Hey guys,

anybody know email address in London flagship store's?

 

[pikachoo]

It is a sad day as I am letting go of my Lindrick Boots.

Allow me to share some photos taken with my new camera.