Cashmere Sweater Hierarchy

[DorianGreen]

How is the quality of Tom Ford cashmere? I'm eyeing this:

https://www.mrporter.com/en-us/mens/product/tom-ford/clothing/crew-necks/cashmere-sweater/43769801095899044

At those prices it should be at least decent quality, even though you pay of course for the name too. The garments are made in Italy, but don't know by whom. Maybe @johnny80 can provide some information?

 

[DorianGreen]

Harley shetland vee neck jumper, not remembering the colour's name.

It's an M size, 57 cm pit to pit (vs the 53 cm of the lambswool jumper previously posted). Pretty loose (so-called traditional) fit, tubular construction. The touch is quite different compared to the one of geelong lambswool, pretty dry and less supple.

 

[fabricateurialist]

At those prices it should be at least decent quality, even though you pay of course for the name too. The garments are made in Italy, but don't know by whom. Maybe @johnny80 can provide some information?

Zegna provides the yarns and makes TF cashmere

 

[DorianGreen]

Zegna provides the yarns and makes TF cashmere

Thank you, I guessed it would be an egregious maker.

 

[Johnny80]

At those prices it should be at least decent quality, even though you pay of course for the name too. The garments are made in Italy, but don't know by whom. Maybe @johnny80 can provide some information?

In general the Made in Italy garments for Tom Ford are provided by/from Zegna
Tom Ford garments compared to the most of the italians have a more loose sleeves and neck , more room to its shoulders and length is fit true to it size. This should be for normal/fitted builds with wide shoulders and a more heavier/bulkier arms than normal. I would not recommended for slim fits build, maybe only with a shirt, t-shirt underneath
Edit: sorry that i didnt already saw that somebody else already answer to this
At that price buy this only if you really love everything about it and the fit is on point, otherwise there are other, better garments in that price segment

 

[stifler]

A more intel-generating question might be: "which Co. is the maker of Tom Ford cashmere sweaters?".

Then, perhaps, you would be able to make an informed decision my dear fellow, and we would be wiser by 1milmil.


Best,

Dimitris

I thought Zegna made Tom Ford clothing to Couture standards.

 

[fabricateurialist]

I thought Zegna made Tom Ford clothing to Couture standards.

the tailoring (and cloths) too, in case someone was wondering, the couture line is 80% handmade

here's a short list of their contract manufacturers (may or may not be up to date)

suits, knitwear - Zegna
shoes - Sassetti
beauty - Estee Lauder
watch straps - Camille Fournet
underwear - Albisetti
eyewear - Marcolin
watches - Bedrock

 

[DorianGreen]

Ballantyne (made in Italy) cashmere jumper, buttoned mock collar, in bright orange.

It's EU 50 size, 54 cm pit to pit. It's a quite boxy fit, see the straight side seam, and I style it over shirts, rather than on its own.
It's about ten years old, probably not the same quality of the old made in Scotland Ballantynes, but pretty good though, minimal pilling and consistent touch, anything but the oversoft modern knit.

 

[msimon]

William lockie camel hair, size 40. Gonna have to get something in cashmere at some point. starting with a ribbed dark natural scarf, gotta start somewhere.

And if you don't see me, I wish you all happy holidays.

 

[DorianGreen]

William lockie camel hair, size 40. Gonna have to get something in cashmere at some point. starting with a ribbed dark natural scarf, gotta start somewhere.

And if you don't see me, I wish you all happy holidays. View attachment 1870269

Very nice. Are they horn buttons instead of the typical leather ones?

Thanks for the greetings, happy holidays to you as well!

 

[msimon]

Very nice. Are they horn buttons instead of the typical leather ones?

Thanks for the greetings, happy holidays to you as well!

They are the typical leather buttons, they come up looking small on the camel, perhaps the colour changes ones perception.

And can now confirm that the camel from WL are cut fuller especially in the arm holes but the drape of the camel gives it a stylish look and because of this, I don't think the same could be said about there v and crewneck, which would be better left more tailored.

 

[HotDilf]

Thrifted at a mom-and-pop shop in Melbourne for 25 bucks. Wondering who the maker is. Merry Christmas!

 

[DorianGreen]

Thrifted at a mom-and-pop shop in Melbourne for 25 bucks. Wondering who the maker is. Merry Christmas!

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You seem to be pretty lucky in spotting treasures. From the underlabel I would suppose it has been made by Ballantyne.

Merry chhristmas to you!

 

[Nebbiolo]

Since this thread has evolved past the whole brand hierarchy thing, I'd like to ask for some help with the William Lockie cardigan I just received. The collar is twisted for some reason and won't sit right despite steaming and (lightly) pressing it flat with an iron. There's also what looks like a nick in the fabric (red arrow). Is there an easy fix to these defects or should I return it?

One last question: the pocket bags are only attached at the top and hang freely, which can be annoying as they sometimes hang lower than the front of the cardigan if you put something heavy in them like keys or coins. Is it a bad idea to stitch one corner of the pocket bags to the body of the cardigan as it's done on some models from other brands?

 

[DorianGreen]

Since this thread has evolved past the whole brand hierarchy thing, I'd like to ask for some help with the William Lockie cardigan I just received. The collar is twisted for some reason and won't sit right despite steaming and (lightly) pressing it flat with an iron. There's also what looks like a nick in the fabric (red arrow). Is there an easy fix to these defects or should I return it?
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One last question: the pocket bags are only attached at the top and hang freely, which can be annoying as they sometimes hang lower than the front of the cardigan if you put something heavy in them like keys or coins. Is it a bad idea to stitch one corner of the pocket bags to the body of the cardigan as it's done on some models from other brands?
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I certainly would return it. I recently had a camel hair vee neck jumper that was strongly twisted. I wonder how can they let out such (evidently) flawed garments. Very poor quality control.

As for the pockets, I would not put something inside of them, as I consider them just an aesthetic feature, but if you instead see them as functional, it would be not wrong to stich them.