Yale MBA - Ranking & Perception? (or lack thereof?)

[kxk]

Originally Posted by Concordia

Really? There are about 800 in each class at HBS, and just over 200 at Yale. If you need help with the math, let me know.
not too familiar with the concept of yield rates, i see. yale SOM is a fine school with a great future, and if i were to be so lucky to be in a position to choose, i'd definitely choose it over any school outside HSW+Tuck, but this is a pretty atrocious claim and an incredibly flawed chain of reasoning. in fact, if your trolling for yale is because of (heaven forbid) the fact that you're actually a yale MBA, it just worked itself right out of my school list.

 

[alliswell]

Originally Posted by Concordia

Really? There are about 800 in each class at HBS, and just over 200 at Yale.

If you need help with the math, let me know.

The math says that all of the 1000 HBS students in one class couldn't have decided to go to Yale and have been accepted. That's uncontested.

Your statement - read at its most contentious - implies that a majority of applicants accepted by Harvard were rejected by Yale. Your data do not allow for any conclusion to be made about that.

 

[Lord-Barrington]

Originally Posted by alliswell

The math says that all of the 1000 HBS students in one class couldn't have decided to go to Yale and have been accepted. That's uncontested.

Your statement - read at its most contentious - implies that a majority of applicants accepted by Harvard were rejected by Yale. Your data do not allow for any conclusion to be made about that.

This guy wants to invite me to a poker game though because, I guess, he feels he could fleece me. I'm thinking I should accept his invite...

 

[alliswell]

Pay hyim. Pay... that myan... chis maney...

 

[gdl203]

Originally Posted by kxk

i'd definitely choose it over any school outside HSW+Tuck
really? I didn't 12 years ago and still wouldn't now.

 

[micbain]

Originally Posted by gdl203

really? I didn't 12 years ago and still wouldn't now.

Is it a non-target as far as IB goes?

 

[gdl203]

Originally Posted by micbain

Is it a non-target as far as IB goes?

In the US, it is not a target school. In other regions, I don't know - the Yale brand is powerful so I wouldn't discount that. I'm not from the US and when I told my mother I was turning down a Yale offer, her jaw dropped and she almost cried...

 

[alliswell]

Originally Posted by micbain

Is it a non-target as far as IB goes?

It is not a target school. The big banks get to be picky. Even Stern had difficulty placing a large number of I-Bankers, and you can walk to Wall Street from there.

 

[Artisan Fan]

Not respected in consulting or banking in my experience.

 

[kxk]

Originally Posted by gdl203

really? I didn't 12 years ago and still wouldn't now.

12 years ago definitely not. if anything i'd be making such decisions 2-3 years from now, and i feel like yale's been making very good progress in the last couple years and will continue to do so.

Originally Posted by alliswell

It is not a target school. The big banks get to be picky. Even Stern had difficulty placing a large number of I-Bankers, and you can walk to Wall Street from there.

yeah, this too. i didn't at all mean yale > rest of the M7 and others, just that all things considered + personal preferences, it's a feasible choice for me, personally. i feel like it's already in the discussion with the rest of the top 10 bubble (ross, darden, fuqua, etc)

 

[Don Carlos]

If admissions criteria are held equal, then selectivity is a function with two variables: total class size and total application pool size. A school with smaller class sizes may or may not be more selective than a school with larger class sizes; it depends on how many kids apply to either school.

Example: School A plans to admit a class size of 100. School B plans to admit 300.

- If 1000 kids apply to A and to B, then A is more selective.
- If 200 kids apply to A, and 1000 kids apply to B, then B is more selective.
- And so on.

/math

 

[micbain]

Originally Posted by alliswell

It is not a target school. The big banks get to be picky. Even Stern had difficulty placing a large number of I-Bankers, and you can walk to Wall Street from there.

I thought stern was a target?

So what are the target mba schools then? Outside hsw? Or do hsw place the lions share and its slim pickings for everyone else?

 

[Concordia]

Originally Posted by micbain

I thought stern was a target?

So what are the target mba schools then? Outside hsw? Or do hsw place the lions share and its slim pickings for everyone else?

Harvard and Wharton do have the advantage of critical mass-- recruiters know that they're going to see a ton of people interested in banking, and many of the recuiters went to those same schools. So they show up to run interviews, etc., and the cycle continues. Other places may be too small or new or focused elsewhere to get the automatic visit. And still others might once have been viewed as good targets but now the job offers from a particular firm that would once have been accepted gleefully are now pushed back. So the recruiters go other places where they won't have to work as hard. What may have been true about a relationship 5 years ago might not be now.

Be aware, though that you need to find your own way through that problem, and it will depend on your own strengths and weaknesses (and preferences). If you go to an I-banking-oriented school to get trained, you will have potentially useful classes, and a lot of classmates who know the ropes because they came from the firms that will recruit interns and graduates. All well and good. But then, you might find yourself a the back of the queue when resumes are vetted and Goldman decides which 5% of your classmates they want to talk to. Post-2008, things might have become even more complicated as unemployed JDs try to land Wall Street jobs, and so on. So there aren't any easy solutions.

If you know exactly where you would like to work (or what sort of place), try to look forward and reason back. What kind of resume do you want to have in two years, and if the best you can get winds up being the same as everyone else's, how are you going to break the logjam and stand out from the pack, having learned about what you want to do and where? Could be professor recs, or demonstrable knowledge of an industry that the big shops are trying to figure out. Depending on who you are and where the economic cycle is at graduation, the right push might come from a big "target" school or another kind of place altogether.

 

[bslo]

Originally Posted by Concordia

Really? There are about 800 in each class at HBS, and just over 200 at Yale.

If you need help with the math, let me know.

You can't really be this dense. The size of the entering class does not impact a school's selectivity the way that you think it does. Think about it. Harvard UG has a much bigger entering class than many schools. Pick a podunk local liberal arts college, for example, with an entering class that is about 1/5 of Harvard's. Does this stat indicate that most Harvard students wouldn't have been admitted? If you think the answer is yes, I'm not sure what your Yale MBA did for you (not to mention college).

Edit: I guess I'm piling on, but maybe you need one more person to explain it to you.

 

[hrb]

On a side note, for the OP, how would a yale degree compare to top canadian MBA's for someone working in canada/abroad, what in your minds (both canadian and intl) are the top 5 in Canada (there is, from a publication perspective, fluctuation on this ranking depending on sources)?