The Official Wine Thread

[indesertum]

i'm in upstate ny for now. i try and visit a decent wine bar when i get down to the city

 

[Piobaire]

Ind-D, I foresee heartbreak in your future.

 

[gomestar]



so you think if i buy a bottle of say les amoureuses i should be prepared to pay roumier, mugnier prices?

No.

since i can't try a bottle before buying it i've been going to by ratings and tasting notes

No.

i've been trying to buy value. ... i dont know how else to go about this on a budget

then listen to us.

the other thing is i dont know if i should be buying grand crus or super premier crus. the available ones are never more than 10, 12 years old and i dont think i should be drinking grand crus that young.

No. And i mean no to the ideas you state, not the generalizations.

i hear some vintages are better drunk younger

yes, but this should be the least of your concern.





I'll get to this in a day or so. One must learn.

 

[gomestar]



Ind-D, I foresee heartbreak in your future.

yes

 

[gomestar]



THIS IS IT

My tiger woods fist pump gif won't upload. ************* forum.

 

[indesertum]

so then what do i do? set a price limit and buy random bottles from select producers?

 

[gomestar]



so then what do i do? set a price limit and buy random bottles from select producers?

basically yes. Dennis Bachelet. Fourrier. Mugneret-Gibourg. Hudelot-Noellat. Ligero-Belair. Dujac. J-F Mugnier. Roumier. Rousseau. Chevillon. Drouhin. d'Angerville. Lafarge.

a basic level wine from one of these will be superior to a Grand Cru from a no-name. It's up to you to live and learn, and you will, but it will cost you. The "but why wouldn't I buy a Premier Cru "Les Whatever" from Domaine Boner than this Bourgogne Rouge from extremely well established producer?? Better Cru is supposed to be better!!" is genuinely hard to get past. But you will, many $$ later.

 

[indesertum]

Ok.

i dont see better cru as better. echezeaux is supposed to be variable in quality and apparently les suchots can be better than an echezeaux from a poor plot. it just seemed to me that certain producers were known for quality yet didnt have the name and price of others.

anyways, i think i'll just buy village and burgundy level wines and save better crus for better times. i recently bought a 08 vosne romanee from mugneret gibourg that i can't wait to try

 

[aravenel]

To be obvious, the cru just indicates where the grapes come from. Says absolutely nothing about the skill of the winemaker. There are plenty of schmucks who have inherited little slices of grapes in a 1er or Grand cru vineyard who don't know or care about wine but just want to cash in. They might not even be good at growing the grapes, much less turning them into wine.

Buy from a better producer, and even if the grapes are a wee, little bit less impressive in their provenance, the fact that that winemaker really knows and cares about what he is doing will give you a better experience every time.

Besides, if you are going to drop the money on a really proper 1er or Grand cru, make sure you really know what you are getting.

BTW, the Mugneret Gibourg Vosne Romanee is exactly what I am talking about. That is a *fantastic* bottle of wine. Granted, it is just as expensive as plenty of 1er or Grand Crus, but it is a village level wine that is better than 95% of the stuff out there.

 

[Piobaire]

As I keep saying, price is a fairly good proxy for quality in New World wine but it's a very poor predictor in Froggie wine.

 

[indesertum]

To be clear I wasnt talking about grand crus from no name shmucks but grand crus or super premiers from solid producers that don't have the name brand and market price of someone like Rousseau or Mugnier. Amiot servelle is definitely not a no name schmuck but commands a fifth of the price of Mugnier.

 

[Eustace]



basically yes. Dennis Bachelet. Fourrier. Mugneret-Gibourg. Hudelot-Noellat. Ligero-Belair. Dujac. J-F Mugnier. Roumier. Rousseau. Chevillon. Drouhin. d'Angerville. Lafarge.

a basic level wine from one of these will be superior to a Grand Cru from a no-name. It's up to you to live and learn, and you will, but it will cost you. The "but why wouldn't I buy a Premier Cru "Les Whatever" from Domaine Boner than this Bourgogne Rouge from extremely well established producer?? Better Cru is supposed to be better!!" is genuinely hard to get past. But you will, many $$ later.

Or, better yet, go over there and learn by tasting.

 

[Piobaire]

This was purchased on a rec from our own Slewfoot. Upon decanting there was no, as in none, sediment. The colour was very vibrant, no bricking, but the nose was pure sweaty socks. We let it sit for an hour and it opened up into a nice, light wine with nice fruit.

 

[indesertum]

Worth it if I can get a bottle at 42?

 

[Piobaire]

I paid $22 (Slew is a good shopper too!) but would probably pay $40 just because I do not get a chance to drink much in the way of Burg with some age on it.