The Official Dieworkwear Appreciation Thread

[jaaz16]

I don't understand what he is trying to imply about Derek?

 

[classicalthunde]

I don't understand what he is trying to imply about Derek?

He went on to clarify (paraphrasing here) that Derek is basically for nerdy dudes who want to learn how to dress for dates, and that the jokey persona is comes off as judgmental to those who take fashion seriously or is an aspect of performative masculinity to guard against being 'really' into fashion. Can't argue with the first point, but don't know that I agree on the later points. I've always thought Derek has been pretty open that he's really into fashion in a deep sense and isn't bothered by the fact that its typically been coded as a feminine interest.

The food guy is Joe Rosenthal who describes himself a 'food antagonist' calling out sh*tty people in the food world (professional chefs, youtube chefs, restaurants, etc.) and has a couple of good recipes/guides that he shares on his site.

 

[jeremygo]

He went on to clarify (paraphrasing here) that Derek is basically for nerdy dudes who want to learn how to dress for dates

Joke's on him, none of us nerds are going on dates!*

I followed Joe Rosenthal for a while but I got tired of it how negative it all is. Granted, he's often calling out a**holes, but he also just seems to be angry about everything everywhere.

(*joking of course)

 

[jeremygo]

DWW's new Blamo pod with Jeff Hilliard talking about tailoring styles was very enjoyable if folks are interested. I think it's subscriber only, but for $5 a month you get a lot of enjoyable audio.

 

[jaaz16]

Just went to his IG stories to get the context. He strikes me as someone who just heard of Derek after he blew up on Twitter, because he seemed to be saying that Derek would never recommend a belt from Self Edge? Derek's tailoring threads seem to be the most viral and I think it's causing people who don't post on "The Official Dieworkwear Appreciation Thread" to have no idea what he's actually into.

One related thing that is interesting that I don't think gets talked about much is how Derek is very rules oriented with tailoring but ONLY tailoring; his casual wear inspo and interests are all over the place.

 

[1969]

lol Rosenthal is the only guy who has a longer grudge memory than Derek. I like both of those guys for what they do well (How to Pizza is great)) but "letting go of things" isn't one of them.

edit: at least DW has a sense of humor. JR is just a miserable bastard

 

[double00]

Derek's mentioned a few times here. I haven't finished it yet. The author may be a member of the forum:

Can the Love of Menswear Be Justified in a Time of Global Crisis? ❧ Current Affairs

<p>Can there possibly be any value in caring about something as seemingly frivolous as personal style and taste in clothing? As it turns out, Yes!</p>

www.currentaffairs.org

surprisingly retrograde take

 

[Buggy]

Joke's on him, none of us nerds are going on dates!*

I followed Joe Rosenthal for a while but I got tired of it how negative it all is. Granted, he's often calling out a**holes, but he also just seems to be angry about everything everywhere.

(*joking of course)

I recently reached this point with Rosenthal as well. Some of his exposé style instagram stories were valuable and his pizza info is great, but i just don’t have the bandwidth for his constant negativity.

I basically lost my mind when he said Kenji “perpetuated harmful misinformation” related to MSG. Kenji’s long standing MSG stance is that it’s not dangerous and doesn’t cause headaches, but if you feel it does for you, fine —don’t use it!

 

[gimpwiz]

Kenji is right of course, as always. No peer-reviewed scientific study has _ever_ substantiated the idea that anyone has MSG sensitivity, unless they also have table salt sensitivity, nor that MSG is more of a problem to health than table salt. In other words, MSG is reasonably similar to salt in terms of its health effects. Use it, or don't, it's up to you. Taste-wise, it's easy to use too much, but that's a different story. What's the guy's beef with that?

 

[classicalthunde]

Kenji is right of course, as always. No peer-reviewed scientific study has _ever_ substantiated the idea that anyone has MSG sensitivity, unless they also have table salt sensitivity, nor that MSG is more of a problem to health than table salt. In other words, MSG is reasonably similar to salt in terms of its health effects. Use it, or don't, it's up to you. Taste-wise, it's easy to use too much, but that's a different story. What's the guy's beef with that?

I think the argument is that any sort of anti-MSG stance is related to anti-Asian xenophobia.

I tend to agree…case in point, you never hear people complain about the MSG in Doritos.

And, by not fully disavowing anti-MSG sentiments (i.e hedging with “if it makes you feel bad then don’t use it”) is akin to perpetuating those harmful stereotypes.

 

[mhip]

I think the take is that any sort of anti-MSG stance is related to anti-Asian xenophobia.

Case in point, you never hear people complain about the MSG in Doritos.

MSG>MTG

 

[double00]

I think the take is that any sort of anti-MSG stance is related to anti-Asian xenophobia.

Case in point, you never hear people complain about the MSG in Doritos.

that's b/c doritos are delicious .

this convo reminds me of the time i went to a spaghetti place and my friend's mom frowned and said 'too much msg ' ... she was right of course but she wasn't being xenophobic , she was from china and owned a chain of chinese restaurants .

 

[breakaway01]

Kenji is right of course, as always. No peer-reviewed scientific study has _ever_ substantiated the idea that anyone has MSG sensitivity, unless they also have table salt sensitivity, nor that MSG is more of a problem to health than table salt. In other words, MSG is reasonably similar to salt in terms of its health effects. Use it, or don't, it's up to you. Taste-wise, it's easy to use too much, but that's a different story. What's the guy's beef with that?

MSG is literally the sodium salt of glutamate, one of the 20 amino acids that make up all proteins in your body. Anyone who claims that MSG is harmful has no understanding of biology.

The origin of MSG’s purported harmful effects was a prank letter submitted to the New England Journal of Medicine.

The Strange Case of Dr. Ho Man Kwok | Colgate Magazine

A winding tale that delves into the 50-year myth regarding the side effects of MSG.

news.colgate.edu

 

[The Chai]

I prefer MGS

 

[double00]

damn i wish i had some spicy cool ranch doritos