SPIER & MACKAY - Official Affiliate Thread

[Brennenman]

hey guys I plan to order a MTO jacket with the sale going on but am not sure whether to select the normal gorge or lower gorge? Any input, not really sure if there is a big difference? On the MTO description is said lower gorge was for a 1920-1930's look?

Also can anyone confirm if fabric code is what ring jacket used? I was trying to find a jacket with exact fabric code to help me see what my jacket would look like
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I have a lower gorge jacket from Tom James and I’m not the biggest fan of it. It’s more if a nineties lower gorge and at least the on my body it doesn’t look quite as proportional as I would like my that’s just my experience

 

[Brennenman]

I could be wrong, and perhaps way off on an ever sensitive subject but it seems this is possibly implying a loaded comment on a person of colour's skin.

While indirect and implicit, and therefore hard to discern the implied meaning, and while not an epithet as such, this still suggestively represents the notion carried by an 'epithet', based on Google's definition of the word as follows:
'phrase expressing a quality or attribute regarded as characteristic of the person or thing mentioned.'

To be specific, this is expressing that it's 'amazing' that a person of colour's skin is OK after spending time in the sun.

Speculation could be offered about what is suggested here, but that might be going further (if I've already gone there) into the realm of the unfair as an upfront response.

Perhaps the comment in the first instance should be limited to pointing out these online forums still represent, virtually, a social 'polis' by the ancient Greek definition, and as the Greeks said, a healthy polis only remains healthy if all the citizens are civic-minded enough to hold each other to account for civil discourse.

So if I'm off, then fair enough, and the possibility remains here for me to be stood corrected as to any possible intent.

But there's been enough opinions given for credit to be drawn down enough to respond in kind, with at least an open opinion on an area which the recent history of social media clearly shows us that more civic-minded responses are required by more of the citizens in order to keep this kind of polis healthy, and an area that has been broached here in a way that has, perhaps merely unfortunately, sailed too close to suggestively uncivil ambiguity.

That’s a whole lot of words for something that could be said it less then two sentences

 

[James1051]

San Diego Blues...

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Well This Is Embarrasing, They Left Without Me!

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Swim Or Be Eaten...
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King Fish, He's A Bad Man, He Typed A Long Text Message While Playing His Guitar! He's Bad...

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Spoiler: Blues...

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SD is a great town! My brother and 1 son and their families both live there.

and you were killing it as always

 

[Riva]

I could be wrong, and perhaps way off on an ever sensitive subject but it seems this is possibly implying a loaded comment on a person of colour's skin.

While indirect and implicit, and therefore hard to discern the implied meaning, and while not an epithet as such, this still suggestively represents the notion carried by an 'epithet', based on Google's definition of the word as follows:
'phrase expressing a quality or attribute regarded as characteristic of the person or thing mentioned.'

To be specific, this is expressing that it's 'amazing' that a person of colour's skin is OK after spending time in the sun.

Speculation could be offered about what is suggested here, but that might be going further (if I've already gone there) into the realm of the unfair as an upfront response.

Perhaps the comment in the first instance should be limited to pointing out these online forums still represent, virtually, a social 'polis' by the ancient Greek definition, and as the Greeks said, a healthy polis only remains healthy if all the citizens are civic-minded enough to hold each other to account for civil discourse.

So if I'm off, then fair enough, and the possibility remains here for me to be stood corrected as to any possible intent.

But there's been enough opinions given for credit to be drawn down enough to respond in kind, with at least an open opinion on an area which the recent history of social media clearly shows us that more civic-minded responses are required by more of the citizens in order to keep this kind of polis healthy, and an area that has been broached here in a way that has, perhaps merely unfortunately, sailed too close to suggestively uncivil ambiguity.

WTF dude? Why would I go into such a subject when I'm a man of color myself? Read my post as "the sun was so intense that it burned your brand new garment but your skin came out ok". Seems like it's easier to talk when everyone in the room is white huh?

 

[Riva]

I have a lower gorge jacket from Tom James and I’m not the biggest fan of it. It’s more if a nineties lower gorge and at least the on my body it doesn’t look quite as proportional as I would like my that’s just my experience

+1. It's not even about a particular era gorge positioning but all about what your body needs to look good. Lower gorge, bigger lapels, all trends which people are supposed to ignore and focus on measurements and elements that actually improve upon how others perceive your body.

 

[mhip]

Wow! Can I Say, I'm Freakin Disappointed!

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Don't Sit In The Sun!
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This Is From Sitting In The Sun 8am - 7pm, Wow! San Diego Blues Festival...

Ugh...
I feel your pain.
I drive a convertible, and I have learned I have to really think about what trousers I wear.
I've done that to so many.

 

[saskatoonjay]

WTF dude? Why would I go into such a subject when I'm a man of color myself? Read my post as "the sun was so intense that it burned your brand new garment but your skin came out ok". Seems like it's easier to talk when everyone in the room is white huh?

Well said, brother. I was about to point out that @Riva is a person of colour.

 

[Slapdashstyle]

WTF dude? Why would I go into such a subject when I'm a man of color myself? Read my post as "the sun was so intense that it burned your brand new garment but your skin came out ok". Seems like it's easier to talk when everyone in the room is white huh?

Oh man.

I'll just post rationalise this to myself that I've been in one too many communal forums online of late where not enough has been said when it should have been said.....

I was going to start by sending myself up about choking on my overly woke cornflakes trying to get to the virtue signals I had printed on the bottom of the bowl, but I didn't want to sound like I'm being sarcastic, as opposed to actually owning being about as appropriate as Larry David on caffeine and taurine.

Which I think just has to be owned.

 

[ericgereghty]

I could be wrong, and perhaps way off on an ever sensitive subject but it seems this is possibly implying a loaded comment on a person of colour's skin.

While indirect and implicit, and therefore hard to discern the implied meaning, and while not an epithet as such, this still suggestively represents the notion carried by an 'epithet', based on Google's definition of the word as follows:
'phrase expressing a quality or attribute regarded as characteristic of the person or thing mentioned.'

To be specific, this is expressing that it's 'amazing' that a person of colour's skin is OK after spending time in the sun.

Speculation could be offered about what is suggested here, but that might be going further (if I've already gone there) into the realm of the unfair as an upfront response.

Perhaps the comment in the first instance should be limited to pointing out these online forums still represent, virtually, a social 'polis' by the ancient Greek definition, and as the Greeks said, a healthy polis only remains healthy if all the citizens are civic-minded enough to hold each other to account for civil discourse.

So if I'm off, then fair enough, and the possibility remains here for me to be stood corrected as to any possible intent.

But there's been enough opinions given for credit to be drawn down enough to respond in kind, with at least an open opinion on an area which the recent history of social media clearly shows us that more civic-minded responses are required by more of the citizens in order to keep this kind of polis healthy, and an area that has been broached here in a way that has, perhaps merely unfortunately, sailed too close to suggestively uncivil ambiguity.

Jesus Christ lol. Please **** off back to twitter.
To read the post as even minutely implying malice is an absolute joke. Go away.

 

[sargeinaz]

I think he was simply implying if the shirt faded this much, it is amazing if one’s skin isn’t very burnt. Doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, sun damage is very harmful to everyone

That’s what any normal person would’ve taken from that comment. Talk about a reach of epic proportions.

 

[Beav]

That’s a whole lot of words for something that could be said it less then two sentences

Yeah, it was a ridiculous word salad by someone trying, and failing, to appear smart.

 

[Brennenman]

Oh man.

I'll just post rationalise this to myself that I've been in one too many communal forums online of late where not enough has been said when it should have been said.....

I was going to start by sending myself up about choking on my overly woke cornflakes trying to get to the virtue signals I had printed on the bottom of the bowl, but I didn't want to sound like I'm being sarcastic, as opposed to actually owning being about as appropriate as Larry David on caffeine and taurine.

Which I think just has to be owned.

I’m sorry I’ve tried reading this three times and and this still doesn’t make any sense, maybe im just really dense this morning idk

 

[dapperclassic]

Let’s get back to Spier & Mackay for a bit.

Here’s this years Guabello DB hopsack which I’ve treated to some new buttons.

 

[Riva]

FYI I have received racially motivated comments on this site in which Fok said to the mod to ignore as it's payback for me being a troll (something like that). I also actually get stalked on my IG by some SF member with a sock acct posting similar comments. I just laugh them off but we have to acknowledge their existence in SF.

The sun is a real ***** especially in the tropics and I wear sportjackets not for warmth or style but mainly to prevent myself from getting skin cancer. Sunblock + sunglasses + mask everytime I step out of the house. Take good care of your health bros.

 

[Riva]

Let’s get back to Spier & Mackay for a bit.

Here’s this years Guabello DB hopsack which I’ve treated to some new buttons.

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I was just thinking 2 days ago that I can't pull off these gold buttons and the last time I saw anyone in my office wearing one was the now retired guy 7 years ago. So as substitute I use beige horns, similar effect but less flashy. I do use matte silver colored buttons on a checked hopsack blazer which is an odd one.