Shoes, Shorts, and Summer sans Sneakers and Sandals

[ter1413]

In my head, they would look awful with shorts.

HORRIBLE with shorts.

Don't try to dress down something that has no right being dressed down.

 

[maxalex]

Would you wear them without socks, or would you go full 90-year old man and wear them with black socks and shorts?

these would look ridiculous with shorts.

Shorts, black socks, Birkenstocks = German tourist in Rome. My gf has a theory that tourists here save money on hotels by booking rooms without mirrors.

 

[maxalex]

What do you folks think of split toed derbys as summer shoes? The split toe design shares similarities with mocassins in the apron, but they are a lace up given the derby enclosure. Might this not be an alternative to the ranger/camp mocs, boat shoes, and loafers suggested, or would this look too formal with a pair of shorts during the day time?

I mean, I am not so sure I'd wear the Edward Green Dover in such a context, but what about something like the Allen Edmonds Bradley? Example:

I have this shoe in burgundy shell.

I've never been a fan of split-toed shoes--just my personal preference. But certainly not with shorts.

 

[vida]

Shorts, black socks, Birkenstocks = German tourist in Rome. My gf has a theory that tourists here save money on hotels by booking rooms without mirrors.

😂

 

[Penrod]

Would you wear them without socks, or would you go full 90-year old man and wear them with black socks and shorts?

these would look ridiculous with shorts.

why wear black sock? White athletic socks would really amp up the look

 

[JFWR]

No because of the whole.

Guys try to justify something works because it shares similarities with other things. It would be like claming a western shirt with french cuffs would work equally well with a tuxedo as a tuxedo shirt.

That kind of reasoning is strange. What do you mean by the whole here? Is it just because we have said "these work with this, but not this?"

 

[JFWR]

Would you wear them without socks, or would you go full 90-year old man and wear them with black socks and shorts?

these would look ridiculous with shorts.

Why would they look anymore ridiculous than a pair of loafers? What about them would?

Given the terrible response here, it's clear I shouldn't be doing it. I just want to know what about it.

I see mocassins, loafers, etc, with a similar structure to these shoes and I am told "wear those", but I show you these and you say "don't wear those". So what is the offending feature? Is just a lace up shoe the problem here? Because even on a boat shoe, the laces are more or less irrelevant.

 

[mak1277]

Why would they look anymore ridiculous than a pair of loafers? What about them would?

Given the terrible response here, it's clear I shouldn't be doing it. I just want to know what about it.

I see mocassins, loafers, etc, with a similar structure to these shoes and I am told "wear those", but I show you these and you say "don't wear those". So what is the offending feature? Is just a lace up shoe the problem here? Because even on a boat shoe, the laces are more or less irrelevant.

I mean, the easiest answer is just that they would look incredibly stupid with shorts. Do you genuinely not see that? Is that not enough?

 

[double00]

What do you folks think of split toed derbys as summer shoes? The split toe design shares similarities with mocassins in the apron, but they are a lace up given the derby enclosure. Might this not be an alternative to the ranger/camp mocs, boat shoes, and loafers suggested, or would this look too formal with a pair of shorts during the day time?

I mean, I am not so sure I'd wear the Edward Green Dover in such a context, but what about something like the Allen Edmonds Bradley? Example:

I have this shoe in burgundy shell.

maybe , with lederhosen ?

fwiw i could see tyroleans with shorts no socks etc

 

[double00]

or for a more conus vibe

 

[Garrister]

I think any of the Rancourt moccasins (camp mocs, ranger mocs, boat shoes), loafers (beefrolls or Eastports ... or other Weejun-like designs), or sneakers are examples of perfect summer footwear that can pair easily with shorts. These kinds of shoes are very versatile. On the other hand, welted shoes with more of a "dress shoe" aesthetic are probably not going to work well. It depends on the design and/or materials used in the shoes but these types of shoes generally are not going to work well -- there are exceptions of course. More specifically, in my opinion, GYW derbies in brown leather are not going to pair well with shorts.

 

[物の哀れ]

So what is the offending feature?

I think you're trying to intellectualise what is ultimately a visceral subject.

Wearing split toe derbies with shorts isn't rooted in the language, norms, or tradition of classic menswear.

 

[ter1413]

I just want to know what about it.

Because they would look absolutely ridiculous with shorts! Similar to wearing a tank top with a suit.

That simple enough?

 

[Norwester]

Why would they look anymore ridiculous than a pair of loafers? What about them would?

Given the terrible response here, it's clear I shouldn't be doing it. I just want to know what about it.

I see mocassins, loafers, etc, with a similar structure to these shoes and I am told "wear those", but I show you these and you say "don't wear those". So what is the offending feature? Is just a lace up shoe the problem here? Because even on a boat shoe, the laces are more or less irrelevant.

The issues I see are that the Bradleys share so many features common to formal shoes. Hidden eyelets, low contrast stitching and welting, smooth leather (or shell). Here's a photo of my ranger mocs from Alden, which are the opposite in each regard. I think they look great with no-show socks and either jeans or casual linen pants. In a pinch I think they would go with shorts (though that might project sort of a summer-camp vibe). Loafers are probably a safer bet with shorts, given the Ivy tradition.

 

[JFWR]

The issues I see are that the Bradleys share so many features common to formal shoes. Hidden eyelets, low contrast stitching and welting, smooth leather (or shell). Here's a photo of my ranger mocs from Alden, which are the opposite in each regard. I think they look great with no-show socks and either jeans or casual linen pants. In a pinch I think they would go with shorts (though that might project sort of a summer-camp vibe). Loafers are probably a safer bet with shorts, given the Ivy tradition.

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You see? That explains it 100%. Okay. I get you here entirely.

What about something like this?

You got the contrast stitching, the snuff suede, and the only thing it's missing is that you have hidden eyelets instead of gromets.

Sadly, the soles really kind of ruin this one. Way too dressed up.

But what if this had a more casual sole/edge?

TwoOneFour.Ragnar Split-toe Derby From Calf Suede

This five-eyelet Zonkey Boot split-toe Norwegian derby is made on the Sailor last, from full-grain hunting suede, and has been lasted entirely by hand. It features an apron hand stitched with contrasting thread and a hand sewn reverse butt-stitched tip.The shoes come with mid-brown soft calf...

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Again, not saying this design. But if you could find a split toe with those features, would it work?