Random Fashion Thoughts (Part 3: Style farmer strikes back) - our general discussion thread

[nahneun]

Should we do this?

i think this is too OG for the current sf userbase

 

[A Fellow Linguist]

so I'm reading this forum now for the first time in several years and (I really don't mean this as an insult, because I find it endearing) the stuck-in-timeness of it is pretty impressive. I mean maybe attitudes have shifted, people seem a little more laid back, I don't think I can really comment since I'm not involved the way I used to be, but I'm talking in terms of WAYWT, the brands represented in threads on the sw&d first page. none of it seems substantially different from what it was 5-10 years ago. re: the conversation on the state of WAYWT a few pages back, it seems that people have the impression that there's less appetite for feedback, maybe bc fashion and what people get out of it have changed, but that's not been my experience in non-sf fashion spaces/conversations at all. I just don't think sf can provide it like it used to. like, criticism or feedback isn't valuable in itself, it needs to come from some relevant Other, people who look like they know what they're talking about, and that isn't here unless your goal is to look like a comfortably out of touch older millennial, and really who wants that, even among older millennials? this place worked to the extent that it did because we were younger and more self-conscious. the competitiveness and cattiness were the point! that's what created susceptibility to feedback, willingness to change, and ultimately pushed the aesthetic forward. you'll all be thrilled to learn, I'm sure, that these values and dynamics are alive and well in a lot of trans spaces. but I really have no idea what a young person hoping to look and feel cool could get out of this place now.

oh yeah, I was browsing here because I'm trying to help my fiance figure out where to get a suit for our wedding (we all become the thing we hate in time), are nmwa / the armoury still the spots? is finding rtw tailoring in eu44/xs still as annoying as it's always been?

 

[zippo69]

Mine is arriving tomorrow, pretty excited. I wish I had bought the black Anfa last year before it sold out.

Can I ask how you sized for the Anfa? I'm leaning towards an XL but wonder if I should go L as they say it has elasticity and some stretch.

 

[LA Guy]

oh yeah, I was browsing here because I'm trying to help my fiance figure out where to get a suit for our wedding (we all become the thing we hate in time), are nmwa / the armoury still the spots? is finding rtw tailoring in eu44/xs still as annoying as it's always been?

Both The Armoury and No Man are good spots if you are looking to go higher end and don’t have any real fit problems barring the sizing.

 

[troika]

unless your goal is to look like a comfortably out of touch older millennial, and really who wants that, even among older millennials?

Effing, ouch

 

[LA Guy]

Effing, ouch

My daughters, both securely younger Gen Z, definitely take their cues from Gen X right now, and a lot of what I see in stores are sorta like the 90s through a looking glass. I guess it’s that skip a generation thing I do feel bad for millennials, who seem shat on from both sides.

 

[blacklight]

so I'm reading this forum now for the first time in several years and (I really don't mean this as an insult, because I find it endearing) the stuck-in-timeness of it is pretty impressive. I mean maybe attitudes have shifted, people seem a little more laid back, I don't think I can really comment since I'm not involved the way I used to be, but I'm talking in terms of WAYWT, the brands represented in threads on the sw&d first page. none of it seems substantially different from what it was 5-10 years ago. re: the conversation on the state of WAYWT a few pages back, it seems that people have the impression that there's less appetite for feedback, maybe bc fashion and what people get out of it have changed, but that's not been my experience in non-sf fashion spaces/conversations at all. I just don't think sf can provide it like it used to. like, criticism or feedback isn't valuable in itself, it needs to come from some relevant Other, people who look like they know what they're talking about, and that isn't here unless your goal is to look like a comfortably out of touch older millennial, and really who wants that, even among older millennials? this place worked to the extent that it did because we were younger and more self-conscious. the competitiveness and cattiness were the point! that's what created susceptibility to feedback, willingness to change, and ultimately pushed the aesthetic forward. you'll all be thrilled to learn, I'm sure, that these values and dynamics are alive and well in a lot of trans spaces. but I really have no idea what a young person hoping to look and feel cool could get out of this place now.

oh yeah, I was browsing here because I'm trying to help my fiance figure out where to get a suit for our wedding (we all become the thing we hate in time), are nmwa / the armoury still the spots? is finding rtw tailoring in eu44/xs still as annoying as it's always been?

I'm twenty-something. There's just a level of actual knowledge and, more crucially, earnestness(?) that exists here and on other specialist forums that is now increasingly out-of-lockstep with how ideas are exchanged on most of the rest of the internet, particularly among men.

Take Derek's breakthrough on Twitter, for example. I think he's brilliant but at the same time I think his true value-add is that people on Twitter, IG, TikTok are overexposed to uninformed and insincere junk all day everyday and it is a tremendous breath of fresh air to have someone (male) both passionate and knowledgeable about a topic men are not supposed to care about sharing it openly without trying to sell you **** or get you to listen to their podcast. SF is a (male) community and archive of that same sort of value that, while it might not be the "coolest" has done an incredible amount for my social education beyond this hobby; I've learned an immeasurable amount about the industry, divorce, money management, divorce, and tax fraud here on top of a bunch of other things.

Massive generalization but people under the age of 30 don't exchange ideas in the same way as middle-aged folks and older. I'm not commenting on intelligence level or interestingness* but I think there's just an earnestness in being that maybe has to do with not having come of age under 24/7 surveillance and the network effects of social media. Yeah, there's an element of fishing for dopamine in the WAYWT and watch threads but I see guys posting photos of themselves feeling confident, enjoying good living, and/or working through their self-improvement journeys here in a way that doesn't feel as finetuned to inspire ****** feelings in other people on, say, Instagram.

Outside of sizing issues I've never been disappointed by something I've purchased from NMWA or Canoe Club or was recommended by another user, and I've never been scammed by a person here either. SF has been an incredible repository of long-term value for my interest in this hobby, and I think that's something that'll only increase in value as the enshittification of the internet and online retail in particular continues. I took a cousin slightly older than me to a recent NMWA sale right after he began his big-time corporate gig and after he met Greg he couldn't stop raving how being there and seeing how passionate the people there were about the hobby made him "get" why I invest so much time in this.

As for not posting in WAYWT: I'm a huge believer in putting back whatever it is you get out of communities, institutions, relationships, etc. I just don't post there due to privacy concerns but I very much hope it doesn't die. I think the guys here look great.

 

[LA Guy]

I'm twenty-something. There's just a level of actual knowledge and, more crucially, earnestness(?) that exists here and on other specialist forums that is now increasingly out-of-lockstep with how ideas are exchanged on most of the rest of the internet, particularly among men.

Take Derek's breakthrough on Twitter, for example. I think he's brilliant but at the same time I think his true value-add is that people on Twitter, IG, TikTok are overexposed to uninformed and insincere junk all day everyday and it is a tremendous breath of fresh air to have someone (male) both passionate and knowledgeable about a topic men are not supposed to care about sharing it openly without trying to sell you **** or get you to listen to their podcast. SF is a (male) community and archive of that same sort of value that, while it might not be the "coolest" has done an incredible amount for my social education beyond this hobby; I've learned an immeasurable amount about the industry, divorce, money management, divorce, and tax fraud here on top of a bunch of other things.

Massive generalization but people under the age of 30 don't exchange ideas in the same way as middle-aged folks and older. I'm not commenting on intelligence level or interestingness* but I think there's just an earnestness in being that maybe has to do with not having come of age under 24/7 surveillance and the network effects of social media. Yeah, there's an element of fishing for dopamine in the WAYWT and watch threads but I see guys posting photos of themselves feeling confident, enjoying good living, and/or working through their self-improvement journeys here in a way that doesn't feel as finetuned to inspire ****** feelings in other people on, say, Instagram.

Outside of sizing issues I've never been disappointed by something I've purchased from NMWA or Canoe Club or was recommended by another user, and I've never been scammed by a person here either. SF has been an incredible repository of long-term value for my interest in this hobby, and I think that's something that'll only increase in value as the enshittification of the internet and online retail in particular continues.

As for not posting in WAYWT: I'm a huge believer in putting back whatever it is you get out of communities, institutions, relationships, etc. I just don't post there due to privacy concerns but I very much hope it doesn't die.

This honestly warms my heart. The unofficial motto of the forum has always been “Come for the clothes, stay for the company.” Also, IANAL, but I’d steer clear of advice on tax tax frauding, which I would like to have on the record as something we neither condone nor support.

 

[A Fellow Linguist]

Massive generalization but people under the age of 30 don't exchange ideas in the same way as middle-aged folks and older. I'm not commenting on intelligence level or interestingness* but I think there's just an earnestness in being that maybe has to do with not having come of age under 24/7 surveillance and the network effects of social media.

I buy this to an extent but is it really a cohort effect? idk, it feels too neat, more like post hoc explanation. I've definitely gotten more earnest but I wouldn't really take my experience as indicative of, well, anything.

when did people start using the sarcasm meter here? or when did they stop? maybe that was some kind of turning point, like, moving us from exclusionary (and let's not forget, cool 😎) irony to more earnest communication.

 

[hoodog]

so I'm reading this forum now for the first time in several years and (I really don't mean this as an insult, because I find it endearing) the stuck-in-timeness of it is pretty impressive. I mean maybe attitudes have shifted, people seem a little more laid back, I don't think I can really comment since I'm not involved the way I used to be, but I'm talking in terms of WAYWT, the brands represented in threads on the sw&d first page. none of it seems substantially different from what it was 5-10 years ago. re: the conversation on the state of WAYWT a few pages back, it seems that people have the impression that there's less appetite for feedback, maybe bc fashion and what people get out of it have changed, but that's not been my experience in non-sf fashion spaces/conversations at all. I just don't think sf can provide it like it used to. like, criticism or feedback isn't valuable in itself, it needs to come from some relevant Other, people who look like they know what they're talking about, and that isn't here unless your goal is to look like a comfortably out of touch older millennial, and really who wants that, even among older millennials? this place worked to the extent that it did because we were younger and more self-conscious. the competitiveness and cattiness were the point! that's what created susceptibility to feedback, willingness to change, and ultimately pushed the aesthetic forward. you'll all be thrilled to learn, I'm sure, that these values and dynamics are alive and well in a lot of trans spaces. but I really have no idea what a young person hoping to look and feel cool could get out of this place now.

oh yeah, I was browsing here because I'm trying to help my fiance figure out where to get a suit for our wedding (we all become the thing we hate in time), are nmwa / the armoury still the spots? is finding rtw tailoring in eu44/xs still as annoying as it's always been?

You should check my **** out - I am rad asf.

 

[Iskander]

I haven't been member here for super long but I enjoy this place so much more than anything on instagram or reddit or other places. I find it hard to explain why though.

I am also quite happy dressing as an out-of-touch millennial. I think I can understand my parents' generation a little better now. I always thought they just didn't realize which clothes were "cool", but now I think maybe they did recognize that style had moved on but they just did not like the new style. Some stuff gen Z wears are cool but a lot of it is not to my personal taste at all so I am very OK to look out-of-touch.

 

[RegisDB9]

Effing, ouch

Bro we better check this guy

We’re the daddest mfs around

 

[A Fellow Linguist]

this guy

if this was meant to refer to me I'm happy to say it hasn't been applicable for years.

 

[mmmargeologist]

Where do the kids go these days to discuss fashion? Seems like theres no real venue for it anymore outside invites to secret discords. But like, that not very inclusive

 

[withbluejeans]

Does anyone know any brands that offer a shirt similar to this?? I love the boxy fit, two pockets, and color - a pale yellow - but it's too cropped for me (it looks good on this guy to me but the only size available would be too small for me). This is an Our Legacy piece