Nigel Cabourn

[Scott Stevens]

The lesser expensive option is made with Filson's tin cloth and the more expensive one uses a heavy waxed cotton. Color aside, I'd go with the waxed cotton version unless you have a particular work/hobby need for tin cloth (it's heavy duty stuff, but does not breathe at all).

Waxed cotton isn't breathable either.

 

[seer]

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Originally Posted by Scott Stevens


Waxed cotton isn't breathable either.

Yes, they are not meant to be breathable, they are meant to protect you from the elements. I have used Barbour and Filson for years and these are not jackets one buys for style. They are meant to be used in weather, and work quite well.

 

[migsy999]

I buy for style and the weather protection. That's the point isn't it?
Otherwise I'd get my grandads Marks & Spencer duffle coat out.

Most of the Filson collab looks great. The Work Cape feels even better in person.

 

[seer]

I buy for style and the weather protection. That's the point isn't it?
Otherwise I'd get my grandads Marks & Spencer duffle coat out.

Most of the Filson collab looks great. The Work Cape feels even better in person.

I guess we differ. I never thought of my Filson as stylish, though come to think of it, it is pretty cool looking.

 

[migsy999]

I guess where you live matters too.
Workwear is big in the UK fashion market.
Barbour and other heritage labels are booming right now.

 

[Scott Stevens]

Yes, they are not meant to be breathable, they are meant to protect you from the elements. I have used Barbour and Filson for years and these are not jackets one buys for style. They are meant to be used in weather, and work quite well.

Exactly. That's why I didn't get the relevance of the post. Virtually the same weight and neither are breathable.

 

[robin]



Exactly. That's why I didn't get the relevance of the post. Virtually the same weight and neither are breathable.

There are some makers that produce breathable waxed clothing, even Barbour once had an entire line dedicated to it. Those long duster coats from Driza-Bone that Australian ranchers wear? Breathable. Likewise, my Surface jacket from a couple years back is quite breathable with layers under it. It depends on the qualities of the fabric, along with the type of wax used, and how it's applied.

Regardless, the point of the post was to warn about tin cloth - people complain in this thread about the macintosh cameraman jacket making them sweat more than it protects them from the elements. Well, tin cloth is about a hundred times worse.

 

[seer]

Regardless, the point of the post was to warn about tin cloth - people complain in this thread about the macintosh cameraman jacket making them sweat more than it protects them from the elements. Well, tin cloth is about a hundred times worse.

Yes it is, but tin cloth is bomb proof! And takes forever to soften up!

 

[seer]

I guess where you live matters too.
Workwear is big in the UK fashion market.
Barbour and other heritage labels are booming right now.

So workwear is popular because you actually work in it or because people want others to think they actually are working?

 

[migsy999]

I give up.

It's functional, looks great and is made of nice fabrics.
Fashion takes it's nods form all walks of life. Being in the Cabourn thread, it should be more obvious than most.
Just because I wear some of his stuff, doesn't mean I want climb Everest or live in the trenches.

 

[Eric Gill Sans]

As I understand it, wax jackets allow some outward passage of air to avoid a large build up of condensation and air can get in as the wax doesn't fill every microscopic gap in the woven fabric
It's no where near as 'breatheable' as Gortex or ventile so isn't described as such
Where wax jackets really come into their own is on the hardiness of the fabric - great for outdoor activities where abrasion might be issue - walking through woods, brambles etc where a lighter fabric would just rip
Plus wax jackets look great the more they are worn and last as long as you want in terms of patching, re waxing etc
The lining of a wax jacket takes up a bit of the condensation if exerting physically so doesn't feel overly clammy - for some reason after a bit of airing they never smell sweaty unlike macintosh which needs a wipe down on the inside with a Luke warm damp cloth

 

[seer]

Just because I wear some of his stuff, doesn't mean I want climb Everest or live in the trenches.

That's true, and these jackets and such last forever.

 

[Scott Stevens]

There are some makers that produce breathable waxed clothing, even Barbour once had an entire line dedicated to it. Those long duster coats from Driza-Bone that Australian ranchers wear? Breathable. Likewise, my Surface jacket from a couple years back is quite breathable with layers under it. It depends on the qualities of the fabric, along with the type of wax used, and how it's applied.

Regardless, the point of the post was to warn about tin cloth - people complain in this thread about the macintosh cameraman jacket making them sweat more than it protects them from the elements. Well, tin cloth is about a hundred times worse.

Waxed cotton generally doesn't breathe well. Both jackets are seriously heavy weight. I highly doubt they are breathable, but that's not what they are designed for.

I have a Freeman Sporting Club 8.5oz waxed cotton, wool lined parka which is very substantial - I personally wouldn't want heavier than that, even for deep winter.

16oz + 18oz wool must feel like body armour. Both versions will feel very heavy. stiff, and take a long time to break in properly.

 

[gus49]

In a mild Uk winter I am wondering whether its going to be overkill looking like I am about to shoot a bear in the Supermarket car park.

 

[migsy999]

They aren't that warm. Maybe cameraman warm. That's not exactly toasty.
Will be perfect for a mild winter. If we get below freezing in the UK you'll need a Mallory under it or another jacket altogether.