NFL 2011/2012 Discussion

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Primetime football, just about kickoff time!!!

 

[Lord-Barrington]



So wait. . . the Bears beat a .500 team and then. . . **** the bed in the playoffs. And that is supposed to prove that they are a legit elite team?
**** the Bears. They're OK, but I'd hardly put them in the top tier of teams. Those are, the Pats, Steelers, and Packers. The next level is the Ravens, Saints and maaaaybe the Giants, although obviously the 9ers can hang with and beat all of those teams. Then you have teams that are good, maybe even better on paper then those top tier teams but who have not really been there year in and year out. The 'niners and Nears fit in here. So do the Cowboys, Lions, maybe the Bangals. I think the 'niners can beat all the top teams but it would be hard for me to really think of them as more elite then say the Pats who have such a history of big game success and such a great coach and quarterback.
Still, the niners have a killer, D, take the ball away a ton, have great special teams, great redzone offense, don't make a ton of mistakes of O, and can run the ball well. These are all abilities that have proven time and again to win championships.

Your QB is Alex Smith. The Niners are not winning a Super Bowl.

That is all.










***And don't bring up Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer who played on teams with all-world defences.

 

[deadly7]



Your QB is Alex Smith. The Niners are not winning a Super Bowl.
That is all.
***And don't bring up Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer who played on teams with all-world defences.

Also, when the 49ers play any team that doesn't blow, they don't do well. Even in their wins the 49ers aren't dominating on offense. When they play a well-disciplined team, they won't make the cut.

 

[NorCal]



Also, when the 49ers play any team that doesn't blow, they don't do well. Even in their wins the 49ers aren't dominating on offense. When they play a well-disciplined team, they won't make the cut.

Sorry, but **** like this just makes me roll my eyes. They're 9-2 and have beat play off quality teams. In both losses they played tough and were in the game until the end. This last loss is to a legit Super Bowl contender, on 90 something hours rest, across three time zones. Are you saying all nine wins are against teams that blow?

I'm not trying to make them out to be Super Bowl favorites by any stretch of the imagination, but they have every right to be in the conversation.

 

[Ambulance Chaser]



Your QB is Alex Smith. The Niners are not winning a Super Bowl.
That is all.
***And don't bring up Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer who played on teams with all-world defences.

This is the argument against the 49ers, in a nutshell. I'll go a step further and say that with the changes in the rules favoring passing, you can no longer win the Super Bowl with a game manager QB, even if you have a world-class defense. That said, I'm not ready to give up on Alex Smith yet. He was thrown into the fire right away, and he has had to play under several different offensive coordinators. I think he can develop into a QB who is capable of leading a Super Bowl-winning team. Just not this year.

 

[Nil]



Yes, the Packers are the better team, but I think the Bears (with Cutler) offer the toughest matchup in the NFC for several reasons. The Bears play a Cover 2 defense, which I think is the best way to defend the Packers' offense. Stop the killer big play and make the Packers take 12, 15 plays to score. On offense, the Bears can play ball control with the best player in the NFL no one knows about, Matt Forte. Now that the Bears O-line is decent and Cutler is not running for his life on every dropback (he's easily a top-10 QB when he has time to throw), the Bears can make the big play as well. And of course, the Bears also have X-factor Devin Hester to change field position.

Perhaps. This is all a moot point with Cutler out and your playoffs hopes possibly ending with his thumb also. We'll see how Hanie does in the Black Hole this weekend.

So wait. . . the Bears beat a .500 team and then. . . **** the bed in the playoffs. And that is supposed to prove that they are a legit elite team?
**** the Bears. They're OK, but I'd hardly put them in the top tier of teams. Those are, the Pats, Steelers, and Packers. The next level is the Ravens, Saints and maaaaybe the Giants, although obviously the 9ers can hang with and beat all of those teams. Then you have teams that are good, maybe even better on paper then those top tier teams but who have not really been there year in and year out. The 'niners and Nears fit in here. So do the Cowboys, Lions, maybe the Bangals. I think the 'niners can beat all the top teams but it would be hard for me to really think of them as more elite then say the Pats who have such a history of big game success and such a great coach and quarterback.
Still, the niners have a killer, D, take the ball away a ton, have great special teams, great redzone offense, don't make a ton of mistakes of O, and can run the ball well. These are all abilities that have proven time and again to win championships.

You misread me, I'll never defend the Bears. As a lifelong Packers fan, I'll at best begrudgingly admit they're an okay team in the best of years. My beef with the Niners is that they've been terrible for YEARS. They haven't even smelled the playoffs since 2002. 11 games of good football isn't going to change my opinion on such a lackluster resume. Until they make it into the post season and show they can hang with the best teams in the NFL on the biggest stage, I'm not a believer.

Do I think they're capable of that? Yeah, possibly. I like Harbaugh, the D, and Gore, but I'll believe it when I see it. The only part I'm not sold on is Smith. I'm not sure he can lead a team all the way in this modern incarnation of pass heavy football. The odds are stacked too much in favor of the passing attack with the rule changes for a team to not be able to take advantage of it fully.

Just look at that game last night. Yeah, every team has bad games. But that was BAD.

 

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Last night was beyond bad, just terrible. NINE sacks?? Nine????? And yet we kept going for long play-calls.

 

[jrd617]



Your QB is Alex Smith. The Niners are not winning a Super Bowl.
That is all.
***And don't bring up Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer who played on teams with all-world defences.

SHOTS FIRED.

 

[HRoi]

I got nothing against the Niners. In fact, I wouldn't mind them representing the NFC in the super bowl. They seem like a true team and they play hard. But the Ravens exposed them last night.

 

[ConcernedParent]

9ers haven't faced a front 7 that good all year; the pressure was incredible.

Chilo Rachal is disgraceful, he got blown up nearly every time he was in there and got flagged for a high/low penalty on the only big play of the game.

 

[NorCal]



9ers haven't faced a front 7 that good all year; the pressure was incredible.
Chilo Rachal is disgraceful, he got blown up nearly every time he was in there and got flagged for a high/low penalty on the only big play of the game.

that was a totally bs call, btw.

 

[Lord-Barrington]



that was a totally bs call, btw.

Can we just agree that the Niners aren't that good, rather than back-pedalling and making excuses for everything?

Every year there are a few teams that punch well above their weight by playing a good team game, confidence, and a usually weak schedule. This year it's the Niners. Hats off to them for their good record but to pretend that they have even an outside shot at a title is wishful thinking.

 

[deadly7]



Sorry, but **** like this just makes me roll my eyes. They're 9-2 and have beat play off quality teams. In both losses they played tough and were in the game until the end. This last loss is to a legit Super Bowl contender, on 90 something hours rest, across three time zones. Are you saying all nine wins are against teams that blow?
I'm not trying to make them out to be Super Bowl favorites by any stretch of the imagination, but they have every right to be in the conversation.

Lol what playoff teams have they beaten? The two that maybe maybe maybe maybe would end up going to the playoffs [and losing right away] are Detroit and New York.

Can we just agree that the Niners aren't that good, rather than back-pedalling and making excuses for everything?
Every year there are a few teams that punch well above their weight by playing a good team game, confidence, and a usually weak schedule. This year it's the Niners. Hats off to them for their good record but to pretend that they have even an outside shot at a title is wishful thinking.

Exactly this. They've played a bunch of ****** teams and have an easy schedule. They've never been a dominant offensive force in their games (as you can see from the game's leaderboard summary) and when they played a good defense they got pounded.

 

[NorCal]

nvm. . . Suck a 'niner dick all you hatting btiches! Anyone sure enough of the 'niners suckatude to make a friendly wager?

 

[Ambulance Chaser]



nvm. . . Suck a 'niner dick all you hatting btiches! Anyone sure enough of the 'niners suckatude to make a friendly wager?

I'm a doubter, not a hater.

What's the wager? I think the Niners will be the #2 seed in the NFC and lose in the divisional round, possibly to the Saints. I also think that they would have a good chance of beating any team in the NFC other than the Packers or the Saints.