HUSBANDS (Paris)

[fivepieces1975]

Hello everyone,

Your discussion brings up an interesting point about the value of an item. In this case, this jacket cost approximately $600, considering both the craftsmanship involved in its creation and the price of the fabric. Naturally, the buyer also had to pay additional VAT, which goes to the state, as well as a markup to Husbands for their unique stylistic proposition. However, the seller of this jacket is neither entitled to collect VAT nor responsible for the stylistic value added by Husbands, and therefore, cannot justify including these in the sale price.

What remains is the garment’s intrinsic value, which is around $600, perhaps $700. It’s important to remember that the second-hand clothing market operates under very different rules compared to sectors like watches or classic cars, where objects can retain or even increase in value.

To put things into perspective, at the price being asked (1500$), anyone on this forum could find exquisite bespoke suits by Caraceni, Attolini, and others, crafted from exceptional fabrics, entirely handmade, and following the highest and most demanding tailoring standards.

Of course, everyone remains free to sell and buy a garment at the price they want, we are in a free market after all.

Wishing you all a great day ☀️

Excellent point re VAT. I do agree. Although I think there's still an argument to be made for what the seller is entitled to which is where negotiations would come in. For example, I would happily negotiate for an authentic Andre Bardot (french tailor who clothed Jean Cocteau and Jean Marais) jacket. $1500 is by no means concrete oof.

Yes, buyer may find an entire suit at this price range, but Husbands is singular in its hybrid historical French tailoring between fashion and menswear. Husbands is a confluence of identities, ideas built into the products. While the aforementioned brands are directly conventional. I myself wouldn't pay under $2,000 for a ready to wear suit.

Yes, very interesting conversation. Thank you for this productive comment.


Kind regards

 

[clee1982]

I don't know how much value they provided, but I'm willing to pay MTO just because I like it, secondary is going to trade whatever it wants to trade.

though separate point, designer definitely bring value, how much that value is up to each of us to decide, I mean before they switch factory, this (see the link) is their maker, to me it definitely goes to the "left to be desired..." category. Also there are a lot similar things happen else where, like Samuelsohn for Phineas Cole, Zegna for Tom Ford, on and on, in both case, at least to me the "designer" produce a better product

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[othertravel]

I don't know how much value they provided, but I'm willing to pay MTO just because I like it, secondary is going to trade whatever it wants to trade.

though separate point, designer definitely bring value, how much that value is up to each of us to decide, I mean before they switch factory, this (see the link) is their maker, to me it definitely goes to the "left to be desired..." category. Also there are a lot similar things happen else where, like Samuelsohn for Phineas Cole, Zegna for Tom Ford, on and on, in both case, at least to me the "designer" produce a better product

Osho Green Tweed Jacket

2 buttons With lining Patch pockets With shoulder padding Roped shoulder Full canvas green tweed fabric 350gr/mt Shipping WorldwideDelivery: 1-3 working daysEasy 14-day Returns measures.9 POINT TO POINT 42 43.1 44.1 45.1 46.1

eduardodesimone.com

Hosho Guncheck Beige Jacket

Structured informal jacket cut from guncheck beige fabric by Holland & Sherry. Handcrafted in Naples. Free shipping in Europe. Delivery in 1–3 working days. Easy Returns

eduardodesimone.com

Excellent point. That's why Tom Ford suits seemed to do pretty well on the resale market. His designs definitely bring value to tailoring.

 

[sake99]

Just made an appointment for MTM at Husbands and I'm pretty pumped. For anyone who has gone through the process, how does it work? Specifically, do you choose out of the 2/3 silhouettes with minimal/no changes to the lapel etc? I've also seen that Husbands does some exclusive fabrics with Lovat and others, are there any in particular anyone would recommend?

 

[breakaway01]

Just made an appointment for MTM at Husbands and I'm pretty pumped. For anyone who has gone through the process, how does it work? Specifically, do you choose out of the 2/3 silhouettes with minimal/no changes to the lapel etc? I've also seen that Husbands does some exclusive fabrics with Lovat and others, are there any in particular anyone would recommend?

my experience with them is they they were unwilling to change anything that would fundamentally alter their styling DNA. So changing lapel width or gorge height was out, but basic alterations could be done (sleeve length, jacket length, letting body in/out within reason).

They have access to a wide range of fabrics, including some that they didn't have books for when I visited. So it never hurts to ask.

 

[DorianGreen]

my experience with them is they they were unwilling to change anything that would fundamentally alter their styling DNA. So changing lapel width or gorge height was out, but basic alterations could be done (sleeve length, jacket length, letting body in/out within reason).

It makes sense to me, they want to keep their own, distinctive style.

 

[sake99]

my experience with them is they they were unwilling to change anything that would fundamentally alter their styling DNA. So changing lapel width or gorge height was out, but basic alterations could be done (sleeve length, jacket length, letting body in/out within reason).

They have access to a wide range of fabrics, including some that they didn't have books for when I visited. So it never hurts to ask.

Yeah definitely wouldn't want to drastically change the style since thats the big selling point. Given that basic alterations can be done, would it be closer to a MTO than a MTM? Was thinking about a sb dark green/black linen to wear at night but it seems like they usually work with heavier fabrics based on their instagram

 

[breakaway01]

Yeah definitely wouldn't want to drastically change the style since thats the big selling point. Given that basic alterations can be done, would it be closer to a MTO than a MTM? Was thinking about a sb dark green/black linen to wear at night but it seems like they usually work with heavier fabrics based on their instagram

Yes, I would call it MTO and not MTM.
Actually they themselves call it MTO:

MTO EN

special order available online • choose a material, a model and your measurements • international shipping

husbands-paris.com

They definitely lean towards heavier fabrics in their RTW tailoring, however they are happy to work with lighter fabrics as well (e.g. LP's linen/silk navy seersucker and 10 oz Minnis Fresco) and IMO they came out well.

 

[sake99]

Yes, I would call it MTO and not MTM.
Actually they themselves call it MTO:

MTO EN

special order available online • choose a material, a model and your measurements • international shipping

husbands-paris.com

They definitely lean towards heavier fabrics in their RTW tailoring, however they are happy to work with lighter fabrics as well (e.g. LP's linen/silk navy seersucker and 10 oz Minnis Fresco) and IMO they came out well.

Makes sense. I'm seeing them in a trunk show and it was advertised as 'MTM' but based on everything I've heard and what you've said it seems like MTO would be more accurate.

Thats comforting to hear, I'm seeing them in early September so hopefully I'll have some good updates then

 

[ppk]

Makes sense. I'm seeing them in a trunk show and it was advertised as 'MTM' but based on everything I've heard and what you've said it seems like MTO would be more accurate.

Thats comforting to hear, I'm seeing them in early September so hopefully I'll have some good updates then

Congratulations. I just placed an MTO order as well. I worked with Isaac (who is amazing) remotely. They sent me a PDF document that laid out the process and my choices.

I had to send them my measurements and choose my style - IIRC they have 4 jacket styles (SB vs. DB, Peak vs. Notch, Pleated vs. Plain, etc.) and a few trouser styles. After that they allow few other options - side adjusters vs. belt loops, etc.

I chose a cloth that I had seen before, and they got it from Standeven. It should be ready in 2-3 weeks. I'm pretty excited.

 

[trilliamwallace]

Just made an appointment for MTM at Husbands and I'm pretty pumped. For anyone who has gone through the process, how does it work? Specifically, do you choose out of the 2/3 silhouettes with minimal/no changes to the lapel etc? I've also seen that Husbands does some exclusive fabrics with Lovat and others, are there any in particular anyone would recommend?

Echoing what other folks have said with a few tweaks:
- You have more flexibility to mix and match some of the design elements in MTM/MTO vs RTW; e.g., you can choose almost any combination of lapels (narrow or wide notch, narrow or wide peak), vents (single or double), single or double breast, number of buttons, cut of trouser (tapered, straight, flare, wide), belt / side adjusters etc. vs RTW typically marries some of these choices rigidly
- MTM/MTO you have a few other options that you don't see in their RTW regularly, e.g., pleated tapered trousers, patch pockets on jackets (I've done both of these)
- You can choose between these options but you can't create your own, e.g., a 15cm lapel, or add a patch ticket pocket
- From a fit perspective, they can do a lot, it's somewhere between MTM and MTO, maybe closer to MTM but I don't have extensive experience with MTM so can't compare to a ton of places
- However, in my experience the lapel and the shoulder cut are fairly tied, e.g., if you choose the wide peak lapel, you're going to get a wide structured shoulder (I think they call it a 'roman' shoulder) vs if you choose the notch lapel, you get a slightly softer more rounded shoulder (I think this is the 'parisian' shoulder); this is my experience, not sure it's been the same for everyone

 

[sake99]

Echoing what other folks have said with a few tweaks:
- You have more flexibility to mix and match some of the design elements in MTM/MTO vs RTW; e.g., you can choose almost any combination of lapels (narrow or wide notch, narrow or wide peak), vents (single or double), single or double breast, number of buttons, cut of trouser (tapered, straight, flare, wide), belt / side adjusters etc. vs RTW typically marries some of these choices rigidly
- MTM/MTO you have a few other options that you don't see in their RTW regularly, e.g., pleated tapered trousers, patch pockets on jackets (I've done both of these)
- You can choose between these options but you can't create your own, e.g., a 15cm lapel, or add a patch ticket pocket
- From a fit perspective, they can do a lot, it's somewhere between MTM and MTO, maybe closer to MTM but I don't have extensive experience with MTM so can't compare to a ton of places
- However, in my experience the lapel and the shoulder cut are fairly tied, e.g., if you choose the wide peak lapel, you're going to get a wide structured shoulder (I think they call it a 'roman' shoulder) vs if you choose the notch lapel, you get a slightly softer more rounded shoulder (I think this is the 'parisian' shoulder); this is my experience, not sure it's been the same for everyone

Good to hear about the fit especially. I wasn't too sure if the experience would be closer to a Saman Amel style MTM or more of a 'we'll put this jacket on you and take some parts in/out to fit'.

Looking at their website, I see a 'roman' and a 'pagoda' shoulder. Tbh never had a Husbands-style suit before so i can't decide if i should just embrace the style and jump straight into the 11cm lapels or go for the more modest one

 

[trilliamwallace]

Good to hear about the fit especially. I wasn't too sure if the experience would be closer to a Saman Amel style MTM or more of a 'we'll put this jacket on you and take some parts in/out to fit'.

Looking at their website, I see a 'roman' and a 'pagoda' shoulder. Tbh never had a Husbands-style suit before so i can't decide if i should just embrace the style and jump straight into the 11cm lapels or go for the more modest one

Sorry my bad the Roman should is the softer one, and it looks like the wide peak lapels can also have that shoulder now. Disregard my comment there.

On lapels, personally I'm all in on the wide lapel. IMO the lapels look less extreme IRL than they do on the models online - not sure if it's because they have narrower shoulders than I do or what, but the extended lines add a really nice touch of panache without looking costume-y. The modest lapels look like almost any other suit. I'd assume you're looking at Husbands because you want a little flare, so just go for it!

 

[LeSpaceCowboy]

Good to hear about the fit especially. I wasn't too sure if the experience would be closer to a Saman Amel style MTM or more of a 'we'll put this jacket on you and take some parts in/out to fit'.

Looking at their website, I see a 'roman' and a 'pagoda' shoulder. Tbh never had a Husbands-style suit before so i can't decide if i should just embrace the style and jump straight into the 11cm lapels or go for the more modest one

Honestly, whether it's the models with wide lapels or those with more standard ones, the style offerings at Husbands are equally rich and interesting. As suggested by trilliamwallace, it's worth trying the wide lapels, especially the Jarvis cut for sports jackets and the Montand cut for suits. However, I find that even the standard lapel models at Husbands stand out compared to those from other brands, thanks to their intelligence, character, and especially the way they balance the more conformist upper with trousers that have a bolder style—featuring more generous openings and slightly more traditional falls. This, in my opinion, perfectly embodies the balance of the French style as envisioned by Nicolas (the founder). You should try them out and see which ones you prefer to start with, but in the long run, I believe you'll enjoy experimenting with all of them.

 

[clee1982]

I would go for wide lapel as well, else I think their medium is kind generic and you can find substitutes.