Finding Bigfoot

[JLibourel]

^I wonder if those guys weren't really just out jacklighting deer, which of course is quite illegal, and invented the Bigfoot story after the one wounded the other. I doubt if Bigfoot is a protected species in Oklahoma.

 

[idfnl]

Season premier of Finding Bigfoot tonight... be there or be square.

 

[size 38R]

not really bigfoot, but scientists have recently declared that the "YETI" is an upright walking species of bear, evolved from the time brown bears and polar bears went their separate ways in evolution.

 

[Fang66]



not really bigfoot, but scientists have recently declared that the "YETI" is an upright walking species of bear, evolved from the time brown bears and polar bears went their separate ways in evolution.

Which scientists have declared it, with what evidence?

 

[idfnl]



Which scientists have declared it, with what evidence?

It was recently release by Dr Bryan Sykes...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...foot-dna-matches-rare-polar-bear-8884811.html

 

[JLibourel]

^Did Sykes ever say the mystery bear was bipedal? Although all bears can stand and walk short distances on their hind legs, the discovery of a bear that was predominantly bipedal would be, if anything, more remarkable than the discovery of a hitherto unclassified anthropoid or hominid in the region.

Update: Since posting the foregoing, I have discovered that Asian Black Bears, the most bipedal of bears, can walk a quarter of a mile or so on their hind legs. Whether they do this of their own volition in the wild or merely at the behest of trainers in captivity my source did not make clear.

 

[JLibourel]

While out on errands, I saw a car with Colorado plates. It had a brown, circular sticker on it with a reversed silhouette of "Patti" and the two words, "I believe."

I am formulating some theories that the Canadian Sasquatch may have some factual basis, more on which later.

 

[idfnl]



^Did Sykes ever say the mystery bear was bipedal? Although all bears can stand and walk short distances on their hind legs, the discovery of a bear that was predominantly bipedal would be, if anything, more remarkable than the discovery of a hitherto unclassified anthropoid or hominid in the region.

Update: Since posting the foregoing, I have discovered that Asian Black Bears, the most bipedal of bears, can walk a quarter of a mile or so on their hind legs. Whether they do this of their own volition in the wild or merely at the behest of trainers in captivity my source did not make clear.

Sykes pointed out that while the dna showed the polar bear, but he also said it doesn't prove a Yeti (ape) is the same creature. I'd be surprised if it wasn't.

While out on errands, I saw a car with Colorado plates. It had a brown, circular sticker on it with a reversed silhouette of "Patti" and the two words, "I believe."

I am formulating some theories that the Canadian Sasquatch may have some factual basis, more on which later.

Now you've got my attention... interesting.

 

[JLibourel]

As to my theory about the Sasquatch having a basis in reality, it goes something like this.

John Burns, the earliest chronicler and publicist of the Sasquatch (He's the one who coined the name), evidently regarded them as definitely human. Some of his reports, as I have previously mentioned, referred to the Sasquatch as conversing with the local Indians in their native dialects. There is one story of a Sasquatch fathering a child with an Indian woman he had kidnapped. When the town of Harrison in British Columbia proposed a Sasquatch hunt as part of an anniversary celebration in 1957, Burns protested vehemently, saying that they were people and deserved to be left alone.

There seems to be increasing evidence that other humans had settled in the New World prior to the Paleo-Indian migration. Let us suppose that these Sasquatch represented survivals of this pre-Indian settlement. They may have been taller on the average than the Indians of the region. According to some sources, anyone well over six feet is a "giant" to the B.C. Indians. Thus the Sasquatch could be well within human norms and still considered "giants." Mongoloids and their Amerindian counterparts have the least body hair, I believe, of any major human groups. The famous Kennewick Man, the best preserved example of a pre-paleo-Indian, is thought to have closest ethnic affinities to the Ainu people of Japan, known as the "Hairy Ainu." Thus, I think it is entirely possible that the real Sasquatch could be (or have been) modern humans. Hence, their physical remains would have attracted comparatively little attention from archaeologists.

Enter William Roe. At the time of "Sasquatch hunt" controversy, he turns up with a sworn affidavit in which he claimed to have seen a strange creature on Mica Mountain a few years earlier. A little later, his daughter made a drawing of the creature, which is sort of a bipedal gorilla with prominent hairy breasts.

Almost entirely based upon Roe's story, John Green, another BC journalist who had succeeded to Burns' mantle as the chronicler of the Sasquatch, concluded that they were apes, not humans, and identical to the Bigfoot reports coming out of California.

And so, the biped gorilla, an improbable, if not impossible, melange of ape from the waist up, human from the waist down, became the definitive type for the Bigfoot/Sasquatch and has remained so to this day.

I know there are others who have advanced the theory that the "human" Sasquatch of BC are (or were) for real and the ape-ish Bigfoot is a myth. I am inclining to think there may be something to this.

 

[JLibourel]

Just saw that an Amur leopard and her cub had turned up on a trail or wildlife cam farther west in Manchuria than previously supposed. This is heartwarming. Given that there is an estimated population of only 30 to 50 of these extremely rare and stealthy cats in the wild, it is amazing that we can get good, clear photos of them but nary a BF.

I know Gibonius (I think it was) made this point about the Amur leopards earlier in this thread.

And, oh yeah, I just remembered: BFs are supposed to be able to recognize and shun trail cameras. Pretty tech-savvy of the big guys, I'd say!

On another note, I can recall idnfl predicting that 2013 was going to be the "Year of the Bigfoot." Well, we've only got 34 days left, and nothing yet (or should I say, "yeti"?).

 

[idfnl]



And, oh yeah, I just remembered: BFs are supposed to be able to recognize and shun trail cameras. Pretty tech-savvy of the big guys, I'd say!

On another note, I can recall idnfl predicting that 2013 was going to be the "Year of the Bigfoot." Well, we've only got 34 days left, and nothing yet (or should I say, "yeti"?).

That trail cam stuff is bullshit.

And 34 days is a long time!

 

[idfnl]

Here's a new video from Washington State with supporting 16 1/2" tracks at the site:

Make sure and change it to 1080p. At the end they provide supporting evidence from the spot it was filmed which helps frame the encounter.


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[JLibourel]

^That has to be about as blobby a blobsquatch as ever I've seen. I note the cow seemed quite unfazed by the proximity of so formidable a creature.

 

[idfnl]



^That has to be about as blobby a blobsquatch as ever I've seen. I note the cow seemed quite unfazed by the proximity of so formidable a creature.

I'm wondering if its a seated cow, but right behind that spot is a ridge. I don't see a cow doing that. Its been documented that squatches will sit still and observe like this.

My complaint is the video cuts off. Apparently the FLIR has an auto-shutdown mechanism.

Yes, its a blob, but does have homonid proportions, at least admit that much.

 

[JLibourel]

I recently learned that Doc Sykes had tackled the case of "Zana, the Wild Woman of the Caucasus."

Belief in "wild men" is widespread in the Caucasus region, where they are known as "Kaptars" and by various other local names. One was reportedly captured by soldiers of the Red Army in Daghestan in 1941. They thought he was a Nazi spy in disguise. The creature was examined by a lieutenant colonel in the medical corps of the Red Army; he concluded that he was no spy or disguised person but "some sort of wild man." What subsequently became of the "wild man" seems to be unknown.

Perhaps the most famous example would be Zana, a female who was captured in Abkhazia in the middle part of the 19th century. Myra Shackley in her book Still Living? describes her as follows:

"Her skin was a grey-ish black colour, covered with reddish hair, longer on her head than elsewhere. She was capable of inarticulate cries but never developed a language. She had a large face with big cheek bones, muzzle-like prognathous jaw and large eyebrows, big white teeth and a 'fierce expression.' Apparently able to run as fast as a horse, she eventually began to defend herself against the guard dogs with a branch, and learnt to manipulate stones, bashing one against the other....Virtually a slave, she learnt to obey simple orders given either by voice or gesture and would, apparently, eat anything that was offered to her, being especially fond of meat."

It seems that local men would get her drunk and ******** with her and she eventually had two sons and two daughters. She died sometime in the 1880s or 1890s. Her youngest son lived into the 1950s. He seemed to be a normal human although prone to violent rages.

Anyway, Doc Sykes got hold of a tooth from the skull of Khvit, the youngest son, and ran a DNA analysis. His conclusion was that Zana had been fully human and her DNA was totally "sub-Saharan African." Presumably, she had been taken to the region as a slave, slavery still being legal in the Ottoman Empire at that time and Abkhazia still being under Ottoman rule.

Obviously she was severely marsupialed. The extensive reddish body hair seems anomalous but may have been caused by some endocrinal abnormality. My surmise is that her being developmentally disabled would not have been immediately apparent as a newly captured slave (who wouldn't have been able to understand Arabic or Turkish in any event) but eventually became apparent, whereupon she was either permitted to escape or simply turned loose.

Significantly, "Zana" means "black" in the local dialect.

At least one photograph of Khvit exists. He looks fully human, and his flat nose and thick lips are suggestive of African ancestry, so very probably Doc Sykes' analysis is correct. Khvit did have surprisingly light skin for someone whose mother was presumably a black African, however.

I still don't always trust DNA analysis.