EG -> G&G - Lateral Move?

[Burton]

Originally Posted by fritzl

hey, it's a casual shoe

obviously, i'm biased. despite of last shapes, heel heights and cuteness. my only concern is the rear part. as much i want a "full" heel counter on derbies and oxfords. for me it's sort of disturbing the balance on a "norweger". moaning on a high level.

I don't know I like both. Alden does there NST with both the full heel counter as well as the Vass / Reiter heel type. What is more important to me is the skin stitching that you see on the EGs which is rather perfect.

 

[JamesX]

Originally Posted by fritzl

just curious. why did you opt for the top drawer version? actually, i had the pleasure to handle med's greshams to have trees made. the tree maker mentioned the quality of them, what's very seldom.
Believe it or not, I doubt I know enough about shoes to tell the quality difference between a Top Drawer EG and a normal EG. But i was told it had a better finish so I decided to get it.

 

[fritzl]

Originally Posted by JamesX

Believe it or not, I doubt I know enough about shoes to tell the quality difference between a Top Drawer EG and a normal EG.

But i was told it had a better finish so I decided to get it.

this is too cute. carry on. thanks for the chuckle.

 

[fritzl]

Originally Posted by Burton

I don't know I like both. Alden does there NST with both the full heel counter as well as the Vass / Reiter heel type. What is more important to me is the skin stitching that you see on the EGs which is rather perfect.
preferences, preferences

btw, i like the alden stitching.

 

[ranker]

Having a few pairs of both, I have to say that EG -> G&G is a substantial upgrade in my lay opinion.

However, I can understand if people are drawn towards EG's more conservative designs, but I don't think subjective opinion alone on the shape/design of the shoes should be an argument for EG -> G&G as a lateral move.

 

[Michael Ay329]

It is the Marston in TG73 Last.

Gorgeous shoe

I bought the Arran...was unhappy with the crepe sole...got it replaced with a single leather sole and find it to be the most comfortable ankle boot that I own

Am looking forward to acquiring this Marston monk strap version.

 

[Burton]

Originally Posted by fritzl

preferences, preferences

btw, i like the alden stitching.

I like the Alden Stitching too, but both the EG and the G+G have the skin stitching on the Apron.

For Fritzl,

Alden without the "full" heel counter. The Alden is actually a very nice shoe.

Look at the skin stitching on the EG, I love that.

 

[Burton]

EG top drawer? I think it is the best, check out this monk, the Palmerston.

 

[in stitches]

this thread has been great as i have been thinking about getting some g&g for a while, the info has been quite helpful, thanks all

Originally Posted by Burton

Quote:
Originally Posted by droy
In general I agree, except the G&G Howe which I think is nicer than the EG Dover,...





Gentlemen,


I do believe you mean the G+G "Hove" I do not know of a "Howe."

I prefer the EG Dover, but it is really a bad comparison. Similar? Yes and of the same genus, but they are not the same shoe.

EG

GG

There may be zero difference in leather quality and they may be sewn by equally skilled crafts people, but the G+G design lacks the gravitas of the Dover. The five eyelet design and the thicker skin stitching on the apron of the Dover create an effect that is much more in keeping with the style of the shoe. The G+G design is essentially too cute. IMO

funny, i am drawn more to the g&g of the two, oh well to each his own

 

[fritzl]

Originally Posted by Burton

I like the Alden Stitching too, but both the EG and the G+G have the skin stitching on the Apron.

alright, i'm for the big picture and this is without heel counter.

besides, never liked the ghost stitching on the split. well, this is just a preference.

both of us are biased to the "learned" style, we grew up. on a random note: a friend of mine is looking for the perfect "norweger" since years. we both have the opinion that there are two styles in the shoeworld which are "difficult". the budapester and the norweger. it's minor details, but they are and we talk about them for hours, though. iirc, he's going bespoke now...

 

[bengal-stripe]

Originally Posted by Cravate_Noire

.......uses many leathers that are also used by many top bespoke makers like Bemer and Ugolini;

Originally Posted by Oyaji

I dont think that supplier's name is very reliable to tell the quality: they have good and bad leather......

Originally Posted by Cravate_Noire

......I am talking about the exact same leathers they had in their swatches;

Originally Posted by Oyaji

Having the same samples does not mean they get the same quality, does it?

As a general rule, and that applies to all manufacturers of leather goods, it's not so much the actual hide, but what you cut out of that particular hide.

Every hide, due to the nature of the beast, has different qualities within, depending on the section of the animal. The best leather comes from the lower section (butt) to the left and right of the spine. If you go further sideways into the belly, the quality diminishes (the leather gets softer and flabbier) until you come into the belly proper, which cannot be used for fine leather goods. The same thing applies if you go higher into the shoulder and higher still into the neck.

Then there are the damages to the skin, the animal acquired in it's life time: insects, barbed wire and worst of all 'growth', stretch marks and fat veins. Those damages are classified by the tannery: every tannery sells the same hide as first, second and third grade, depending on the number of imperfections.

Many manufacturers aim at cutting 'economical', trying to get the highest possible yield out of a skin, which inevitably results in inferior quality.

The quality of leather is decided on the cutting room floor.

 

[Naturlaut II]

Originally Posted by Burton

Quote:
Originally Posted by droy
In general I agree, except the G&G Howe which I think is nicer than the EG Dover,...





Gentlemen,


I do believe you mean the G+G "Hove" I do not know of a "Howe."

I prefer the EG Dover, but it is really a bad comparison. Similar? Yes and of the same genus, but they are not the same shoe.

EG

GG

There may be zero difference in leather quality and they may be sewn by equally skilled crafts people, but the G+G design lacks the gravitas of the Dover. The five eyelet design and the thicker skin stitching on the apron of the Dover create an effect that is much more in keeping with the style of the shoe. The G+G design is essentially too cute. IMO

Asthetically Dover is definitely the better shoe!

 

[medtech_expat]

Originally Posted by bengal-stripe

The quality of leather is decided on the cutting room floor.

Thank you, bengal. This was incredibly informative.

 

[fritzl]

Originally Posted by Naturlaut II

Asthetically Dover is definitely the better shoe!

i disagree, only to get your exposure. many thanks

 

[kev777]

Originally Posted by Burton

I dont know if its just the quality of the picture but those shoes look absolutely fantastic quality