Cesare Attolini Appreciation Thread

[DenisDnepr]

Most personalized CA garments are indeed MTM. But as I said, for the right price, they will do what you wish.

I'm here to share views and exchange information. I'm not here to "prove" anything. Let each follow their own path.

It seems you are here to share fakes

 

[Professor Χάος]

Exactly. And I see much quantity of hand work in all my CA tailoring my own eyes. It will be confirmed by owners of CA tailoring.
I can add many photos of my garments to prove that

Yes, and given that your garments show evidence of hand tailoring, ergo, all CA garments are also handmade? Wow...your logic is dazzling. Beware of black swans.

 

[fatpauljackson]

Most personalized CA garments are indeed MTM. But as I said, for the right price, they will do what you wish.

I'm here to share views and exchange information. I'm not here to "prove" anything. Let each follow their own path.

So... to be clear, you have a bespoke pattern with them and this is how your new commissions are made? How much does this cost?

Definitely interested in pursuing this. What's their fabric selection - is it all their own fabrics?

 

[Professor Χάος]

With your two tailors as witness , you have an miss-leading lawsuit there, if you trust and you are sure about that

"...an miss-leading lawsuit".....well, given your evident legal acumen, I certainly will not be hiring you to represent me.

 

[Professor Χάος]

So... to be clear, you have a bespoke pattern with them and this is how your new commissions are made? How much does this cost?

Definitely interested in pursuing this. What's their fabric selection - is it all their own fabrics?

My apologies, but I will not be revealing the price. You can contact CA and ask them about their bespoke services. I'm sure they'll be happy to assist you.

 

[DenisDnepr]

Yes, and given that your garments show evidence of hand tailoring, ergo, all CA garments are also handmade? Wow...your logic is dazzling. Beware of black swans.

But you refused to prove your position and show us fully machine-made CA suits.
So, logic is
1. You claimed that CA makes fully machine made tailoring (jackets and suits)
2. You refused to show any evidence
3. CA claims that they make only hand-made tailoring
3. I claimed that all my garments of CA are hand-made (2 suits, 4 jackets and trousers). And I have never seen machine-made CA tailoring.
4. I can provide photos to prove.

Who is correct?

 

[Professor Χάος]

So... to be clear, you have a bespoke pattern with them and this is how your new commissions are made? How much does this cost?

Definitely interested in pursuing this. What's their fabric selection - is it all their own fabrics?

I don't believe CA owns a fabric mill, but if someone has specific information about that, please chime in. Instead, I believe they source their fabric from many sources, including some in the UK. But again, this is not my expertise.

 

[Professor Χάος]

But you refused to prove your position and show us fully machine-made CA suits.
So, logic is
1. You claimed that CA makes fully machine made tailoring (jackets and suits)
2. You refused to show any evidence
3. CA claims that they make only hand-made tailoring
3. I claimed that all my garments of CA is hand-made (2 suits, 4 jackets and trousers). And I have never seen machine-made CA tailoring.
4. I can provide photos to prove.

Who is correct?

Just because you've "never seen" something, does not warrant an inference about its non-existence. Absence of evidence, based on your limited personal experience, does not necessarily constitute evidence of absence.

 

[Johnny80]

Yes, but is this actually bespoke in the traditional sense of the word?

If you want 100% made for you from every single detail, you have to go to makers like Kiton that have their own mill. CA has their own cashmere/wool mill now thanks to Fioroni but thats all. They source patterns. Not every bespoke tailors has patterns that you dream of, they have a bunch and you chose, even in Savile Row...only at Kiton i had to stay over 4 hours just to search some pattern+fabric that i want, and i had to combine to obtain something new that had to be made in their mill. The good thing is that until the fabric was made (around 2-3 weeks) the tailor could take my measurements and also had another 1 check fit after 4 weeks and also saw the entire fabric. But its a long process and if you want something new, you will never know how the pattern fits you, only at the end. So a top notch MTM/RTW is the way to go now for me, CA/Kiton (main artisans line) are for me and for my body. CA only makes drop 7 RTW so keep that in mind when you dont buy from them, while Kiton makes from drop 6 to drop 10

 

[fatpauljackson]

I don't believe CA owns a fabric mill, but if someone has specific information about that, please chime in. Instead, I believe they source their fabric from many sources, including some in the UK. But again, this is not my expertise.

I guess what I'm asking is, do you go to them and choose fabrics under their own brand umbrella (no matter where they are sourced)? Or is the experience like basically all the bespoke experiences that I am familiar with such as you go to Redmayne or Ciardi for the tailoring and then choose a fabric from a company like Huddersfield or Fox Brothers or whatever?

 

[DenisDnepr]

Just because you've "never seen" something, does not warrant an inference about its non-existence. Absence of evidence, based on your limited personal experience, does not necessarily constitute evidence of absence.

you look like a troll. It is not good to claim something without any evidence, is it?

 

[Johnny80]

"...an miss-leading lawsuit".....well, given your evident legal acumen, I certainly will not be hiring you to represent me.

im not a lawyer so i cannot represent you and i dont know if i would let my lawyer to do so , but i have in my company for disputes lawyers and i know what im talking about. I always have this EU laws to be implement in the description for over 6 years now. So online description from the officials we take them very seriously, and its a dispute lawsuit in the UE

 

[Johnny80]

My apologies, but I will not be revealing the price. You can contact CA and ask them about their bespoke services. I'm sure they'll be happy to assist you.

Its clear He cannot know your CA price, because its based on how much work went in, what fabric or blend of fabric is made of and so much more can affect the final price...its clear you dont know what are you talking about and you are here just to argue with everybody and these post should be deleted by mod

 

[fatpauljackson]

If you want 100% made for you from every single detail, you have to go to makers like Kiton that have their own mill. CA has their own cashmere/wool mill now thanks to Fioroni but thats all. They source patterns. Not every bespoke tailors has patterns that you dream of, they have a bunch and you chose, even in Savile Row...only at Kiton i had to say over 4 hours just to search some pattern+fabric that i want, and i had to combine to obtain something new that had to be made in their mill. The good thing is that until the fabric was made (around 2-3 weeks) the tailor could take my measurements and also had another 1 check fit after 4 weeks and also saw the entire fabric. But its a long process and if you want something new, you will never know how the pattern fits you, only at the end. So a top notch MTM/RTW is the way to go now for me, CA/Kiton (main artisans line) are for me and for my body. CA only makes drop 7 RTW so keep that in mind when you dont buy from them, while Kiton makes from drop 6 to drop 10

Yes, at some of the now bad houses on Savile Row (will refrain from naming names) they no longer make a truly custom pattern for you and it's just designed off a standardized block pattern. All my best makers do not do this, they craft a truly bespoke pattern for me.

I am wondering and asking whether CA will actually make a truly customized pattern based off of a customer's body aka real bespoke. So far no one has been able to answer. I'm going to ask Massimo who runs the Milan store after the break, but my impression so far is that CA does not do this.

 

[Professor Χάος]

I guess what I'm asking is, do you go to them and choose fabrics under their own brand umbrella (no matter where they are sourced)? Or is the experience like basically all the bespoke experiences that I am familiar with such as you go to Redmayne or Ciardi for the tailoring and then choose a fabric from a company like Huddersfield or Fox Brothers or whatever?

Based on my experience, CA offers a wide range of fabrics to choose from, and my guess is that if you desire something not in their current oeuvre, they will find it for you.