Cesare Attolini Appreciation Thread

[fatpauljackson]

As a lover of CA, wanted to chime in here. I currently have 3 blazers from them and 1 suit, while owning a bunch of other items from them in the past. I also have bespoke items from Redmayne, Steed, Steven Hitchcock, Henry Poole, Hidalgo Brothers, Taillour, WW Chan & Sons, etc.

I realize I'm a little different from many on here, as I really don't care if a garment is hand-made or fully hand-made or machine sewn and which parts, etc. I only care about 1) fit, 2) comfort, and 3) flattering. I think a great jacket delivers all three - it fits your body well, it's comfortable to wear all day, and it actually flatters your body as in it gives you great proportions - wider shoulders, narrowing midsection, v-shape, balance between upper body and lower body, etc. And I think flattering is different from fit... a jacket can fit totally fine or well, and not be flattering. I've certainly had that, where I can't find anything obviously off on the fit of a bespoke jacket but at the end of the day I just don't look good in it.

I will say that CA delivers all three of those things perfectly. Each jacket I have from them is just wonderful. I cannot say that about all my bespoke jackets. I have perhaps 1 - 2 that are better than CA, several on par, and a few that just totally bombed as in they are unwearable.

For the money, CA is much cheaper than bespoke (maybe because I go and buy in the Milan shop) and it is much faster and delivers extremely high consistency, with the quality still being exceptional. As many others have said, what they do to the shoulder is magical - they somehow make my extremely sloped and forward shoulders look wide and strong, there is definitely some shape there but yet it's still pretty soft and ridiculously comfortable, and the look is still very Italian. It's honestly magic. I'm at the point where honestly I wonder sometimes why I ever bother with bespoke when CA gets me looking consistently amazing, and I definitely have some exceptional bespoke pieces. But the time, the cost, the at times lower consistency, etc. Why not just let CA take care of it? I still struggle with that question!

 

[Professor Χάος]

As a lover of CA, wanted to chime in here. I currently have 3 blazers from them and 1 suit, while owning a bunch of other items from them in the past. I also have bespoke items from Redmayne, Steed, Steven Hitchcock, Henry Poole, Hidalgo Brothers, Taillour, WW Chan & Sons, etc.

I realize I'm a little different from many on here, as I really don't care if a garment is hand-made or fully hand-made or machine sewn and which parts, etc. I only care about 1) fit, 2) comfort, and 3) flattering. I think a great jacket delivers all three - it fits your body well, it's comfortable to wear all day, and it actually flatters your body as in it gives you great proportions - wider shoulders, narrowing midsection, v-shape, balance between upper body and lower body, etc. And I think flattering is different from fit... a jacket can fit totally fine or well, and not be flattering. I've certainly had that, where I can't find anything obviously off on the fit of a bespoke jacket but at the end of the day I just don't look good in it.

I will say that CA delivers all three of those things perfectly. Each jacket I have from them is just wonderful. I cannot say that about all my bespoke jackets. I have perhaps 1 - 2 that are better than CA, several on par, and a few that just totally bombed as in they are unwearable.

For the money, CA is much cheaper than bespoke (maybe because I go and buy in the Milan shop) and it is much faster and delivers extremely high consistency, with the quality still being exceptional. As many others have said, what they do to the shoulder is magical - they somehow make my extremely sloped and forward shoulders look wide and strong, there is definitely some shape there but yet it's still pretty soft and ridiculously comfortable, and the look is still very Italian. It's honestly magic. I'm at the point where honestly I wonder sometimes why I ever bother with bespoke when CA gets me looking consistently amazing, and I definitely have some exceptional bespoke pieces. But the time, the cost, the at times lower consistency, etc. Why not just let CA take care of it? I still struggle with that question!

I own 6 Attolini suits, 4 of which are full bespoke (I may have said 3 in a previous post), and I agree with you about their quality and fit relative to their competitors. Kiton makes a nice suit, but they're generally flimsier than CA suits.

However, CA's claim on their website, that all of their suits are hand-made is simply false advertising.
They need to amend that claim, along with the pictures of tailors hand-making their garments, in order to restore their credibility.

I don't blame CA for introducing machine-made garments into their various lines. Their older AUK models seem to be largely hand-made, while their newer AUS models seem to be machine made. I once owned an older model Sartoria Attolini suit which had an exquisite spalla camicia that was obviously hand-tailored and that I've never seen on aother suit brand. If someone has deeper knowledge about their tailoring techniques, please favor us with your experience.

Attolini suits are well-made and have a distinctive silhouette that I find flattering, so I would consider buying another Attolini suit, even if it were machine made, and may even commission another bespoke suit of their making at some future date.

Hence, I am not here to attack CA or to diminish their unique family legacy. I'm simply stating that 2 of my CA suits, which are RTW from the newer AUS line, are largely machine made. Make of that what you will.

 

[DenisDnepr]

I own 6 Attolini suits, 4 of which are full bespoke (I may have said 3 in a previous post), and I agree with you about their quality and fit relative to their competitors. Kiton makes a nice suit, but they're generally flimsier than CA suits.

However, CA's claim on their website, that all of their suits are hand-made is simply false advertising.
They need to amend that claim, along with the pictures of tailors hand-making their garments, in order to restore their credibility.

I don't blame CA for introducing machine-made garments into their various lines. Their older AUK models seem to be largely hand-made, while their newer AUS models seem to be machine made. I once owned an older model Sartoria Attolini suit which had an exquisite spalla camicia that was obviously hand-tailored and that I've never seen on aother suit brand. If someone has deeper knowledge about their tailoring techniques, please favor us with your experience.

Attolini suits are well-made and have a distinctive silhouette that I find flattering, so I would consider buying another Attolini suit, even if it were machine made, and may even commission another bespoke suit of their making at some future date.

Hence, I am not here to attack CA or to diminish their unique family legacy. I'm simply stating that 2 of my CA suits, which are RTW from the newer AUS line, are largely machine made. Make of that what you will.

Unfortunately, you haven't still said which operations in your CA suit or jacket are machine made that you called CA machine made suits.
RapFan claimed only 1 operation which can't be checked independently. So, your complaints seems a bit strange and not specific

 

[Professor Χάος]

Unfortunately, you haven't still said which operations in your CA suit or jacket are machine made that you called CA machine made suits.

Which operations are machine-made? Perhaps the shoulders are hand attached. Otherwise, I can't find evidence of hand-made details on my AUS suits.

 

[fatpauljackson]

I own 6 Attolini suits, 4 of which are full bespoke (I may have said 3 in a previous post), and I agree with you about their quality and fit relative to their competitors. Kiton makes a nice suit, but they're generally flimsier than CA suits.

However, CA's claim on their website, that all of their suits are hand-made is simply false advertising.
They need to amend that claim, along with the pictures of tailors hand-making their garments, in order to restore their credibility.

I don't blame CA for introducing machine-made garments into their various lines. Their older AUK models seem to be largely hand-made, while their newer AUS models seem to be machine made. I once owned an older model Sartoria Attolini suit which had an exquisite spalla camicia that was obviously hand-tailored and that I've never seen on aother suit brand. If someone has deeper knowledge about their tailoring techniques, please favor us with your experience.

Attolini suits are well-made and have a distinctive silhouette that I find flattering, so I would consider buying another Attolini suit, even if it were machine made, and may even commission another bespoke suit of their making at some future date.

Hence, I am not here to attack CA or to diminish their unique family legacy. I'm simply stating that 2 of my CA suits, which are RTW from the newer AUS line, are largely machine made. Make of that what you will.

I think that's totally fair, and FWIW logically I'm with you - at their volume, it seems pretty difficult that the suits are fully hand-made. I mean, God knows that most Saville Row suits haven't been fully hand-made in who knows how long. I have no clue whether CA suits are fully hand-made or not, nor do I really care, but I do think it would defy economics.

When you say bespoke for Attolini, can I ask about your experience? I was under the impression that they don't do true bespoke (in terms of a customized pattern for only you) but rather it's a bit of more tailored made-to-measure. That was my experience anyway (and the outcome was fantastic, to be clear).

When / where did you get their true bespoke products, and what was the price?

 

[fatpauljackson]

Which operations are machine-made? All of them. I can't find evidence of hand-made details on my AUS suits.

Maybe post some pictures of the different between your bespoke ones and the AUS ones?

 

[Professor Χάος]

I think that's totally fair, and FWIW logically I'm with you - at their volume, it seems pretty difficult that the suits are fully hand-made. I mean, God knows that most Saville Row suits haven't been fully hand-made in who knows how long. I have no clue whether CA suits are fully hand-made or not, nor do I really care, but I do think it would defy economics.

When you say bespoke for Attolini, can I ask about your experience? I was under the impression that they don't do true bespoke (in terms of a customized pattern for only you) but rather it's a bit of more tailored made-to-measure. That was my experience anyway (and the outcome was fantastic, to be clear).

When / where did you get their true bespoke products, and what was the price?

For the right price, CA will do whatever you wish:

BeSpoke

cesareattolini.com

 

[DenisDnepr]

Which operations are machine-made? All of them. I can't find evidence of hand-made details on my AUS suits.

Oh, I don't see any sense to argue. It is just bullshit. All the finishing is hand-made. May be you own fakes

 

[Professor Χάος]

Maybe post some pictures of the different between your bespoke ones and the AUS ones?

Sorry, I'm not much for posting extensive photos of tailoring details. I would recommend that you buy an AUS model, and take it to a tailor you trust for critical review, and share the feedback you receive with us.

Even if your tailor's conclusion is that your CA is machine-made, you'll still have an excellent suit.

 

[fatpauljackson]

For the right price, CA will do whatever you wish:

BeSpoke

cesareattolini.com

Yes, but is this actually bespoke in the traditional sense of the word? As in they are making a pattern purely for you, as they would at Savile Row or some of the well-known Italian tailoring houses etc.?

I know they will do customizations and can make basically anything you want, but again my impression during my experience was that it was more of an advanced made-to-measure when I got a "bespoke" jacket through the Milan shop. I asked AI as well and can't seem to find any indiciations that they actually do full bespoke.

 

[Professor Χάος]

Oh, I don't see any sense to argue. It is just bullshit. All the finishing is hand-made. May be you own fakes

The only thing which is disingenuous, is your haughty attitude and inability to engage in dispassionate reasoning.

 

[fatpauljackson]

Sorry, I'm not much for posting extensive photos of tailoring details. I would recommend that you buy an AUS model, and take it to a tailor you trust for critical review, and share the feedback you receive with us.

Even if your tailor's conclusion is that your CA is machine-made, you'll still have an excellent suit.

Again, I could not care less - it was just a suggestion for you, given you seem invested in this thread to prove your position. I'm super happy with all my CA stuff.

 

[DenisDnepr]

The only thing which is disingenuous, is your haughty attitude and inability to engage in dispassionate reasoning.

Exactly. And I see much quantity of hand work in all my CA tailoring my own eyes. It will be confirmed by owners of CA tailoring.
I can add many photos of my garments to prove that

 

[Professor Χάος]

I think that's totally fair, and FWIW logically I'm with you - at their volume, it seems pretty difficult that the suits are fully hand-made. I mean, God knows that most Saville Row suits haven't been fully hand-made in who knows how long. I have no clue whether CA suits are fully hand-made or not, nor do I really care, but I do think it would defy economics.

When you say bespoke for Attolini, can I ask about your experience? I was under the impression that they don't do true bespoke (in terms of a customized pattern for only you) but rather it's a bit of more tailored made-to-measure. That was my experience anyway (and the outcome was fantastic, to be clear).

When / where did you get their true bespoke products, and what was the price?

Most personalized CA garments are indeed MTM. But as I said, for the right price, they will do what you wish.

Again, I could not care less - it was just a suggestion for you, given you seem invested in this thread to prove your position. I'm super happy with all my CA stuff.

I'm here to share views and exchange information. I'm not here to "prove" anything. Let each follow their own path.

 

[Johnny80]

However, CA's claim on their website, that all of their suits are hand-made is simply false advertising.

With your two tailors as witness , you have an miss-leading lawsuit there, if you trust and you are sure about that
But again since you say that nothing is hand made, post please pics with your shoulders from your jackets, pockets inside and outside, if not even your CA label is not hand stitched then you have an legal problem, a fake or real it doesnt matter if your garments are bought from CA itself