Berg and Berg

[bluespirit]

Not an expert, but I think Rota's stitching and buttonholes are neater than Berg's, but I don't think Scavini is better than Berg's. If I had to rank them, I'd say Berg (at least the made in Italy ones) is very similar to Scavini, and Rota is a tier above them, and the prices do reflect that.

Rota's books mostly contain lighter flannel fabrics (300-something gsm, as opposed to Berg's 400 gsm English flannel), the folks at The Armoury told me those are likely Drapers/VBC's flannel. You can get MTO/MTM Rota with fabrics outside of their books but that'd add to the cost (likely $600-700 or even more).

I've only had cotton trousers from Scavini, I think they're made of Brisbane Moss cotton twill fabrics. Not sure about their flannel fabrics. The cut is too slim in the legs for me so I likely won't go with them again.

I'm actually eyeing the brown cords and cream cotton from Berg, but I'll wait for discounts. Usually they go for 40%+ off at the end of the seasons.

The cut of Scavini is rather slim indeed, and the style is very "Parisian", almost dandy-like.

I sold all my Scavini trousers for that reason, I prefer Berg's more regular cuts.

Rota is indeed above both brands in terms of quality, but the price is also higher (in the 300–500€ range). They can be found on sale at NoManWalksAlone though.

I have both Berg's brown cords and cream cotton trousers. Bought them at 20% off last week. The quality is decent, not luxurious, but good enough for the price. It's difficult to find high-rise trousers with a straight cut in this price range. Most competitors (besides Kit Blake) sell slimmer cuts because it's popular among Instagram influencers (and thus among customers).

In conclusion: if you want good quality classic trousers without breaking the bank, buy Berg & Berg on sale. If you want the best quality under 500€, go with Rota.

 

[antoinezula]

The cut of Scavini is rather slim indeed, and the style is very "Parisian", almost dandy-like.

I sold all my Scavini trousers for that reason, I prefer Berg's more regular cuts.

Rota is indeed above both brands in terms of quality, but the price is also higher (in the 300–500€ range). They can be found on sale at NoManWalksAlone though.

I have both Berg's brown cords and cream cotton trousers. Bought them at 20% off last week. The quality is decent, not luxurious, but good enough for the price. It's difficult to find high-rise trousers with a straight cut in this price range. Most competitors (besides Kit Blake) sell slimmer cuts because it's popular among Instagram influencers (and thus among customers).

In conclusion: if you want good quality classic trousers without breaking the bank, buy Berg & Berg on sale. If you want the best quality under 500€, go with Rota.

What about Stoffa trousers?

 

[bluespirit]

What about Stoffa trousers?

Never tried them.

If you want to look at other brands:

Under 500€: Briglia, PT Torino, Canali, Corneliani, Caruso, Zanella, Lardini, Pal Zileri

Luxury: Ambrosi, Voglio, + general luxury brands like Zegna, Loro Piana, Brioni, Attolini, Kiton, etc. But I would rather go bespoke in this price range.

 

[PSNY]

Never tried them.

If you want to look at other brands:

Under 500€: Briglia, PT Torino, Canali, Corneliani, Caruso, Zanella, Lardini, Pal Zileri

Luxury: Ambrosi, Voglio, + general luxury brands like Zegna, Loro Piana, Brioni, Attolini, Kiton, etc. But I would rather go bespoke in this price range.

Add Marco Cerato too

 

[bluespirit]

Add Marco Cerato too

Yes and Pommella, both for bespoke

Regardless of quality, avoid slim fit.

Here are some bad examples from Voglio, who produces high-quality trousers with bad cuts.

Ridiculous, looks like a grown-up adult head, on a child's body:


The pleat is open and the crease is crushed against the thigh due to the slim fit. Bad tailoring:


Here you can see the genitalia on the left, not very classy...

 

[gettoasty]

Anyone know if there will be the western shirt again?

 

[lumow]

Do Scavini, Besnard and Rota clearly make higher quality trousers rather than Berg&Berg? Where do they get their wool / flannel?

I have trousers from both Besnard and Berg & Berg and the Besnard trousers are clearly higher quality. Still I really like my BB trousers as well, and I think they are very good value at 50% off. Even at 20 or 30% off I think they are good value.

 

[ConElPueblo]

For what you want, I think you can wait until the 50% mark. However, check from time to time if your size is nearly sold out (I think they mention it when only a few are left).

I managed to complete a purchase of a pair of discounted trousers during their last sale where they had to refund me as they didn't have it in stock after all.

 

[13.characters]

Anyone know if there will be the western shirt again?

I have both washes (dark and light) in size 40 if you are interested.