Artisanal Clothing and accessories discussion (MA+, CCP, Layer-0, Paul Harnden, Taichi Murakami, Bor

[Abraxis]

is that the green stripe black? end up buying it? ;p haha never thought you'd go ph again after bergfabel

 

[eton97]



For y'all curious about these kind of things
I dunno how anyone can call Berg a PH rip-off, to me they're completely different jackets

You don't know how what?
Completely different jackets?
You have got to be kidding.....white lining, button placement, stitched notched lapels, placement and design of chest pocket.
I don't have a problem if designers want to copy designers.
But let's at least acknowledge it rather than pretend it doesn't happen.
The only noticeable difference is the ph fits you perfectly and the bergfabel looks like a badly fitting ph that's 1 size too big

 

[Abraxis]

I mean they give pretty different feels based on the fits in my eyes. But people have differing ranges and sensitivity on "feels"

Imo the people who pay multipliers more for a rolex because of a red minute/hour hands or sun damage doesn't make sense due to the very small cosmetic differences, but there's a whole hobby of nerds who geek out to that **** and pay big bucks for it.

It just doesn't see like it's possible to get people to agree on what level of differentiation is objectively significant when trying to differentiate two casual black blazers ;p

That being said -- comparing the ph and bergfabel isn't entirely fair at this stage imo. That bergfabel will probably look closer as it breaks in and rumples since it looks way less distressed compared to the ph..... and even then it may not be the same. The ph distressing process also involves the lining/shell ratio etc.

Also the ph jacket opening clearly curves away from the waist more exposing more stomach etc. I dunno I could point out another bunch of random small details (peak lapels are pointier on the ph etc).

I'd say a1923 blazer (Back when it had 4-5 buttons) would be a better case for a "completely different jackets" but I think there's personally enough of one in this case because imo fit alone is a pretty big differentiator and they clearly fit pretty differently.

 

[t3hg0suazn]

Someone find a picture of the original jacket both are based on? I'd be interested in comparing all 3.

The PH does fit you better NN.

 

[eton97]



Imo the people who pay multipliers more for a rolex because of a red minute/hour hands or sun damage doesn't make sense due to the very small cosmetic differences

I disagree. I totally get it. You pay more for a single red Rolex and even more for a double red Rolex, because they are far far rarer than a standard Rolex.
It applies to just about everything in a collectors world. The fewer items there are of something, generally the more valuable they are.

 

[ClambakeSkate]

bergfabel is made in Italy, no?

Ph is made in the uk.

Italian fabrics vs British fabrics. Ph has a pile of Japanese interns lined up at the door to churn out the same jacket until the sun burns out. Bergfabel is too small to get the Japanese kids wanting to work there for free so I'm sure they're forced to pay the enormous costs of Italian labor.

But yeah bergfabel is trying to pick up ph's scraps for sure. I don't think they're doing well and people seem to being growing tired of Ph as well so maybe it's moot.

Who knows????

 

[wogbog]

first one looks way better to me. i like how it falls straight rather than having the v at the bottom

 

[Abraxis]



I disagree. I totally get it. You pay more for a single red Rolex and even more for a double red Rolex, because they are far far rarer than a standard Rolex.
It applies to just about everything in a collectors world. The fewer items there are of something, generally the more valuable they are.

I get that rarity generally correlates to price, but there are people who rarity doesn't matter e.g. in the rolex context non-rolex geeks other than if you are just trying to sell/buy one yourself for profit reasons.

I myself fall into that boat. So really for me it's just a small cosmetic difference and really I could make the claim they are basically the same watch and people who differentiate are morons, because from my point of view and my system of values that's how it looks.

i feel like there's a similar thing at play here, but if you disagree -- well you know the watch world much better than me so maybe my metaphor/analogy is ****** ;p

 

[nicelynice]

They're sized a bit differently, the Berg I can wear comfortably over a button-down or a light sweater, the PH will only go over a t-shirt. I like the shrunken look of the Paul and the short sleeves. The Berg I'm using as outerwear - now I have the awkward moment where I wear my Berg to work, change into the Paul when I get there, and all my coworkers ask me "why did you just change two identical jackets?" They're different, dammit!!!

is that the green stripe black? end up buying it? ;p haha never thought you'd go ph again after bergfabel

Loved the fabric - the green stripe is cute and it's hard to find thinner fabrics that are as substantial and interesting as the ones PH does.

 

[fistinyoface]

If it was anyone here who picked up the Carpe linen labcoat off yahoo yesterday, then holler at me if it doesn't work or you decide to sell.

 

[psydle]

For y'all curious about these kind of things
I dunno how anyone can call Berg a PH rip-off, to me they're completely different jackets taking inspiration from the same source. To my wife, they "both look like a stupid highschool kid's jacket." To the internet...?

She does have a point. Just stay out of trouble if you're running around with Keiji.

 

[Abraxis]

Got the layer 0 sail cloth hemp American Pants. First piece of layer 0 clothing and very impressed. Fabric, construction, details and fit, pockets are all really impressive.

Think out of the "darker" designers (not including PH) -- layer 0 stuff, taichi, a1923 and ccp have probably put together the nicest pieces of clothing I've run into.

 

[twdawson]

a few great Carpe/M.A+/CCP jackets (not mine)

http://www.ebay.com/usr/jah-stone?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

 

[nyarkies]



P.S. – a few great Carpe/M.A+/CCP jackets (not mine)

http://www.ebay.com/usr/jah-stone?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

Yeah but measurements seem way off

 

[twdawson]

yeah? i know they're at least accurate on the m.a+ jackets... e.g. the jute piece always ran crazy small (more like 48), and the heavy jersey/wool is thick double-layered...anyway i think he meant to say 54cm instead of 44cm

but i haven't gone over them all so closely.