SPIER & MACKAY - Official Affiliate Thread

[Wilson13]

I think it inhibits clothiers from the willingness to innovate when they know someone out there willing to do the same thing and pass it off as their own. Hints are fine - hell, most music out there borrows from musical elements spanning most genres - but a direct reproduction is just blatant theft.

I work in a law firm that does a lot of IP work, and the cost that fighting for IP rights entails is sky high, and almost always a crapshoot, in the end.

But it’s not the same thing - quality of construction, materials, fit, etc. will be different. And if it truly is the exact same, one must ask why the higher priced place has such high prices (let’s exclude outlier situations like sweat shops, “dumping”, etc.).

 

[Betelgeuse]

Does @UrbanComposition already posted fit pics of the jacket Rick sent him?

 

[Patrick R]

I am trying to develop my own feelings on the subject.

You can just ask me since that's what people pay me to do.

 

[DFWWingnut]

Bad pic of the linen cotton trousers in cream. Paired with linen shirt and last years hopsack blazer in bright blue.

 

[Newcomer]

You can just ask me since that's what people pay me to do.

I was actually hoping you would chime in. Although I don't want to pay your hourly fee .

 

[Ezio]

I dunno, I just care about looking great at great prices and SM does that for me with aplomb.

I mean sure, I wish we were all financial bankers with seven figure salaries that can shell out a pretty penny for a custom made Neapolitan suit or whatever, but not everyone has that in reach. SM is bringing styles and fabrics that ordinarily I may not be able to afford where I am right now in life and I for one am glad that I can still look like a million bucks and stand out amongst a crowd without punching my wallet into kingdom come.

As an average customer who is not as deep into custom suiting and styles as some, I think SM is a godsend. And tbh, to me, I honestly think that in the price bracket we're dealing with, their suits are better, more unique, and more stylish than major players like Moore's and TipTop who charge similar prices for more substandard or I dunno, lame suits. Thats what I used to have to deal with and now that I realize I can get better stuff for the same price or even less, I'm pretty much buying all my **** from SM.

The only issue I have is missing out on cool **** like the green Cotton suit or the copper linen suit or the medium Heather suit, but that's more on me for waiting than on SM for not trying cool ****.

 

[Wilson13]

Does @UrbanComposition already posted fit pics of the jacket Rick sent him?

I actually had that exact thought today.

 

[Patrick R]

I was actually hoping you would chime in. Although I don't want to pay your hourly fee .

Meh. As the boss, I get get to decide what projects are pro bono.

 

[hms056]

Hi all, hoping to get some fit advice (and add another irl image of the afb fresco for anyone that was still curious). On the left is the 38R contemp, the right is the 40R slim. Please excuse the poor pictures/posing.

I'm thinking that the 40R looks both too long and too big, though the chest feels like it fits me a little better. Honestly, not super jazzed about the way the arms fit on either jacket, though that may be due to the fact that I will need to shorten the sleeves no matter which size I take. It also looks like I have a dropped shoulder that contributes to an unsightly back. Curious to hear your takes.

Spoiler: Fits

 

[varsityreds0123]

I wouldn't call that an unsightly back. I actually quite like the fit. Shorten those sleeves and you'll be well on your way.

 

[varsityreds0123]

The law determines what is theft and what is not. The lines are drawn based on what we believe is in the best interest of the community. There has to be a balance of benefit to the customers and to the innovators in order to encourage innovation without stiffiling competition.

It is a rare set of circumstances under which a company like S&M could possibly violate anyone’s rights; even if making blatant, direct, intentional, copies.

You may find it distasteful, but it is certainly not theft, and frankly, it is what the laws actively attempt to promote: increased customer access and competition for goods and services.

That is what the law says, yes. My point was intended more so to address the ethical perspective, as opposed to the legal. Hence why I used the term "theft" so liberally.

Let me ask you this. Do you agree with the law, in this case? Every time you see an iteration of the EG Galway produced by some other company, are you convinced it's ethically sound practice?

I'm enjoying this discussion, though I hope it's not boring the nails out of everyone.

 

[Patrick R]

Hi all, hoping to get some fit advice (and add another irl image of the afb fresco for anyone that was still curious). On the left is the 38R contemp, the right is the 40R slim. Please excuse the poor pictures/posing.

I'm thinking that the 40R looks both too long and too big, though the chest feels like it fits me a little better. Honestly, not super jazzed about the way the arms fit on either jacket, though that may be due to the fact that I will need to shorten the sleeves no matter which size I take. It also looks like I have a dropped shoulder that contributes to an unsightly back. Curious to hear your takes.

Spoiler: Fits

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I think the 38R looks better and will be good to go once you fix the sleeve length. But, if you aren't comfortable with the fit in the chest, maybe that should be addressed as well.

The back is not bad for RTW and will likely look better (1) when you remove the basting stitches and (2) after you break it in a bit. My first SM jacket had a crazy looking back the first two wears and then settled into a really nice fit.

 

[Ezio]

That is what the law says, yes. My point was intended more so to address the ethical perspective, as opposed to the legal. Hence why I used the term "theft" so liberally.

Let me ask you this. Do you agree with the law, in this case? Every time you see an iteration of the EG Galway produced by some other company, are you convinced it's ethically sound practice?

I'm enjoying this discussion, though I hope it's not boring the nails out of everyone.

It's like watching an episode of Suits but starring clothes nerds on the internet

 

[Wilson13]

Hi all, hoping to get some fit advice (and add another irl image of the afb fresco for anyone that was still curious). On the left is the 38R contemp, the right is the 40R slim. Please excuse the poor pictures/posing.

I'm thinking that the 40R looks both too long and too big, though the chest feels like it fits me a little better. Honestly, not super jazzed about the way the arms fit on either jacket, though that may be due to the fact that I will need to shorten the sleeves no matter which size I take. It also looks like I have a dropped shoulder that contributes to an unsightly back. Curious to hear your takes.

Spoiler: Fits

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Wait, that’s the Air Force Blue? The color is way off either in your pics (most likely) or the website pics.

38R, though.

 

[UrbanComposition]

@Wilson13 @Betelgeuse I had to tailor them a bit, but they should be ready by tomorrow. I’ll post pics this weekend.