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Korea is like Japan 20-30 years ago, in more ways than it is not. 'Speed Tribes' by Karl Taro Greenberg is a good book that works as a good snapshot of this certain period in Tokyo, circa 1989, and the bulk of Murakami's works are about Tokyo in the late '70's, and all of the '80's - that time period in Japan is really interesting to me because I see it on the daily in Korea, present day, especially that post-bubble 1988-1989 Tokyo that is much like Seoul now.
To be honest, I don't even know how people who live in stagnant societies like America, Europe, etc get much from Murakami, because while he is a good storyteller, to me, his books are filled out with nostalgia and attitudes from that time period - which is why he gets to sell so many books in Japan obviously, but it's all the little details he pines about that give his stories life. The ennui of living in a post-bubble society that the narrator doesn't even seem to participate in at beyond the lowest level of survival, the ephemeral nature of these Asian supercities, the women and the chasing of interests, the key real-life places and events that Murakami anchors his stories with, those are all very realistic pictures he paints.
Murakami has all these details, like finding happiness and a modicum of success in owning a jazz bar in Aoyama, or in other stories, being a student living at a dorm, or being a twenty-something working grinding, average jobs, driving a little 320i that he loves around the busy part of Tokyo, dropping into the BMW showroom in Aoyama-itchome to look at the 'new' (1986?) BMW M5, eating at Shakey's Pizza in Omotesando, the revolving friends and acquaintances, the mystery of the upper class, getting a recipe book on pasta and cooking lots of aglio e olio, shopping for vegetables at Kinokuniya (the original one on Aoyama-dori, before they moved a little further down the street around 6 years ago) going out to Mitaka, wasting time at the pond at Inokashira park, the callgirls and the hookers, all of that. That is just like life in Seoul now, I have an analog to all of those, pretty much. Seoul is not glamorous, nor was Tokyo in the 1980's, it was getting pretty but still rough around the edges. Anyway, it resembles a lot of my life in Korea now and of the past 8 years I've lived here.
Just hung out with my 'old money' Korean friend who I went to middle and high school with, we have been friends since middle school and we have gone our own ways in life, he came back for a visit to Korea last week and we hung out a few times, and he'd invite his other Korean friends along and we would drink together, and I was getting all these signs that we really are living in Tokyo circa 1989 right now, even though I realize it day-in, day-out. We hung out and drank expensive wine (because that's all they got here) with a pair of sisters who were mostly interested in traveling and looking cute and living off their dad's money, we hung out at this other bar and his cousin and a friend came in and they sat their $400 wallets and their car keys down on the bar, they both have $300,000 AMG's, we drank a lot of scotch, the female cousin paid the $500 bill and bounced, and then my friend and AMG SL63 guy were gonna go get some expensive hookers at the end of the night and I opted out to come home and cook aglio olio and hang out with my dog, and my Japanese girlfriend who has a habit of disappearing. It's all really Murakami. I don't know.

Fashion thoughts on all of that: fashion and clothes aren't talked about in Murakami's books much because that was the reserve of only those really interested in it, it's much like here now, but that isn't to say that people were unstylish or didn't care about clothes - they did very much, I think. it's not talked about, but it can be assumed.
 

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yes call or email them
 

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Got my first "Edward from Twilight hair" remark. I'm going to plead ignorance and say I couldn't ID this guy if you put a gun to my head, but from gauging my Facebook status anytime one of these ****** movies drops, I guess I'll take it as a compliment.
 

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Originally Posted by impolyt_one
Fashion thoughts on all of that: fashion and clothes aren't talked about in Murakami's books much because that was the reserve of only those really interested in it, it's much like here now, but that isn't to say that people were unstylish or didn't care about clothes - they did very much, I think. it's not talked about, but it can be assumed.


There is the fashion designer-turned-medium subplot in theWBC, and a lot of made of her peerless style and the impact on her surroundings. I actually find Murakami among the most clothing conscious of authors (granted most of his characters show little interest in dressing well- the transexual librarian in KotS being another exception), but that's judging from a background of mostly literature from eras when clothing wasn't as strongly integrated into personal identity (notable for character building) aside from a function of class distinction. As to the appeal of Murakami in stagnant cultures (agree with the notion of stagnant cultures btw), to me M seems like quintessential pop-Lit; he appeals to novice readers with adventure/mystery and graphic portrayals, cross-culturally compelling because of the huge stock of Western/cosmopolitan pop references and the novelty of Eastern 'mystical' philosophy (perspective), due to the lack of Eastern lit in the English markets as well as the merit of his particular brand being incorporated in a way that offers several difference levels of awareness (grappling with the classical questions of ontology in a more abstract manner than classic Russian lit for instance, entailing the substance is less forceful and can easily be diverted with impunity by the joy-reader).
 

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I agree with you there. The pop-culture references that Western readers grab onto, ie Murakami's strong mental library of oldies music, food and drink, etc (and these are known to be strong in Japan too - I have a recipe book called 'Murakami Recipes' that was not written by him, but is a collection of recipes of all the food he mentions in his stories) stick out, I guess they're interesting.
To the Asian reader, I think the other details I mentioned up there are more significant because those sorts of things are more signs of the times than anything else, and Asia is so fast-moving and changing that getting little doses of nostalgia is nice.

Anyway, about Korea; it's still busy trying to make things look nice on the outside an the inner qualities are not very important right now. They just build everything from the outside in over here. In 30 years, things may fill in and have their own history. Clothes all resemble current fashion trends nowadays, but if you look at them closely, you'll realize they're cheap and over-designed, and intended to be worn for just a couple months and then thrown away. There's a very strong, intricate business system that is set up for selling clothing over here. It's kind of based on an old Japanese model that is no longer used over there (though you can kind of see remnants of this in Shibuya's 109, and the Chinese appropriated this model a long time ago as well), but essentially it's a system of keeping the factories running as hard as possible, and then sticking 5 or 10 different 'brand' labels on a run and selling the same thing at different levels - at a department store, in a big market, off the back of a truck, just to clear as much possible merchandise as possible. It's very tight and there's always some avenue or next step for selling something, so the idea is not to make clothes are to be appreciated or anything, the idea is fast, fast, fast. It's given rise to things like Forever 21 (which was genius) etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
 

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ps. I think I know who Fuuma was talking about with his Korean-German friends, etc, I know a few of them live over here and they're barely interlaced into my own social sphere. I don't know them but I know of them, and I see them walking down the street sometimes.
 

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interesting - i always thought of murakami to write about atmospheres that are rather universals. the details while maybe not experienced directly can be appreciated. i always imagined japan and korea to be like that too. i'll have to see for myself someday.

you think china is getting that type of atmosphere?

speaking of forever 21 - weren't they started by some koreans? i think someone i know's family was involved in their start. i think they might be trying to start another fast fashion company now too. hm.
 

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not really fashion but im curious as to why some random guy from texas signed up for a netflix account with my email

oh well time to load up his queue with hard hitting classics such as 'Gay Sex in the '70s" and "Small Town Gay Bar"
 

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Originally Posted by eternaldrake
not really fashion but im curious as to why some random guy from texas signed up for a netflix account with my email

oh well time to load up his queue with hard hitting classics such as 'Gay Sex in the '70s" and "Small Town Gay Bar"


I still haven't watched the 1st one but Small Town Gay Bar is a great film.
 

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I can get these in white for <$300, kind of want to flip them
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