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Vogel and other shoes

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by TimelessRider, Jun 20, 2004.

  1. jcusey

    jcusey Well-Known Member

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    It looks to me like Windermere is pretty much the exact same pattern as the Westons pictured. You would, of course, have a choice of lasts with the Windermere that you wouldn't with the Westons.

    I'm actually not that familiar with EG suedes. Two possibilities, based on pictures I've seen, are fox suede and cognac suede, but you'll probably want to see swatches.
     
  2. Looking to improve

    Looking to improve Well-Known Member

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    The similarity of the model was what made me think about the Green, rather than the Weston. I actually didn't know that Green offered more last choices than Weston, so that IS something to take into account. I also didn't know that Green had a cognac suede, and I have spent some time with their swatch book. Next time I'll have a real close look and ask around at the store where I buy my Greens. (Or I could just email Green) Thank you for the feedback.

    MtB
     
  3. jcusey

    jcusey Well-Known Member

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    My understanding is that Weston doesn't allow you to switch lasts on their special orders, whereas EG will let you use any (or just about any) last in their inventory. I'm not that familiar with Weston special order, so you might want to get a second opinion from someone who is.

    I only mentioned cognac suede because someone in the Edward Green sale thread posted an e-mail from EG saying that a particular model was available in cognac suede. I've never seen that description in an EG catalogue. Perhaps the "official" name is something different.
     
  4. Looking to improve

    Looking to improve Well-Known Member

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    I knew about Greens flexibility concerning different lasts in their special order program. I didn't know about Weston's (supposed?) lack thereof. That was what I meant with my post. (Note to self: Be more precise in what you write. *Slap wrist* [​IMG] ). I would be interested to hear about the Weston special order program (if any) and the possibillity of 'last-switching'.
    I've read that same thread now. The way I read the post, was as an verbatim quote from an E.G. e-mail. But the possibility exists that E.G. used a description of a colour, rather than their name for it. In which case my original guess of clove suede pops up again. I should mention here that I have a pair of Malvern in clove suede and it starts to fit the medium-brown-with-reddish-hue description more and more. So I may already be closer to finding what I'd like... Â [​IMG] MtB.
     
  5. ernest

    ernest Well-Known Member

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    This king of leather is for grand father in Paris, are you a grand father?
     
  6. jcusey

    jcusey Well-Known Member

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    Ernest, Ernest, Ernest. You're slipping. I expected better invective than that.
     
  7. TimelessRider

    TimelessRider Well-Known Member

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    I really love those shoes and they're getting considerable wear time this summer. I think what makes the shoe even nicer, is the fact that the sides of the heels and soles have not been stained dark brown or black. Edward Green will also duplicate that look for special orders, if you decide to go with them over Weston. I was orginally going to order the EG York (3 eyelet blucher) in a light color when I saw this at the Weston store in NY and decided not to wait the 2-3 months for an EG special order.
     
  8. AlanC

    AlanC Well-Known Member

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    I had always been led to believe that Paris was on the cutting edge of fashion. Ernest has thoroughly destroyed such a notion.
     
  9. Looking to improve

    Looking to improve Well-Known Member

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    Why? With all those hip grandfathers in Paris? Â [​IMG]
    I hadn't even noticed the sides were not stained, but indeed it does make them a bit more striking. And if E.G. will do that with special orders, well... I just have to decide which colour suede I want. As an aside, was the 'immediate gratification' your only reason for choosing the Westons? MtB
     
  10. Looking to improve

    Looking to improve Well-Known Member

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    No, I'm not a grandfather. I'm actually just a bit older that you are and I'm not afraid to be noticed. So I wear suede shoes and (even) braces. I recall you posting something about braces and hearing they are for grandfathers on Andy's forum? As a reminder, your post was on June 9th at 19:04:43. Maybe suede shoes are not your style? MtB.
     
  11. TimelessRider

    TimelessRider Well-Known Member

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    That and the fact that an EG special order would cost $200-$300 more given the current state of the US dollar. [​IMG]
     
  12. William Massena

    William Massena Well-Known Member

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    I believe that jcusey is absolutely correct. For special order Weston does not allow a choice of last. The client can choose the leather, have some modifications made to the sole, etc.. but no choice of last. I never used the "computer order", measurements taken by a computer (this program was discontinued) in the upstairs room at the Madeleine boutique but I believe that in this case it was also not possible to change last.

    Timeless, let me congratulate on your Vogel and thank you for the interesting review. Also, your Weston 556 are a great pair of shoes (I own a pair in black suede bought at the NYC store),  but I believe that they were discontinued.

    Finally, on a more personal note, I am also a bit fed up with Ernest derogatory comments. However, being French myself, I must ask you to be understanding. It is very easy to buy an English shirt on sale, unfortunately, politeness  and a decent education are rather impossible to purchase.

    William
     
  13. TimelessRider

    TimelessRider Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for confirming this.
    M. Massena - Merci pour vos mots aimables et ne vous en faites pas à propos des bêtises Ã[​IMG]crits par ernest. Les reguliers sur ce forum ne lui prêtent plus l'attention et sont peut-être plus amusÃ[​IMG]s que gênÃ[​IMG]s par ses postes. Phew. that's the most French I've written in years.. [​IMG]
     
  14. T4phage

    T4phage Well-Known Member

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    I've never tried ordering a Weston on a different last, only in different leathers or soles. However, I have been able to order Westons that were not offered for sale.
     
  15. Looking to improve

    Looking to improve Well-Known Member

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    That are a lot of very good reasons  [​IMG]
    Thank you indeed for your confirmation. EG starts to look more and more promising indeed (for me). MtB
     
  16. William Massena

    William Massena Well-Known Member

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    Dear T4,

    Could you provide more details. Were these shoes an existing model that was no longer made in NWT? Your design?
    I am much curious (and interested)
     
  17. T4phage

    T4phage Well-Known Member

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    Originally Posted by T4phage,30 June 2004, 12:20
    I've never tried ordering a Weston on a different last, only in different leathers or soles. Â However, I have been able to order Westons that were not offered for sale.
    Dear T4, Could you provide more details. Were these shoes an existing model that was no longer made in NWT? Your design? I am much curious (and interested)
    It was a Perry designed plain oxford in kidskin. Â It was never made for production. Â However, I was able to place a special order for it, and even chose my own colours. edit: I don't think that the last was that different from his other designs. It was mainly the upper that was different.
     

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