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"Vegetarian" Business/Formal Shoe Options

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by ineffable, Nov 24, 2010.

  1. ineffable

    ineffable Well-Known Member

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    Hi quality leathers i.e. Delicious French Calfskin (DFC), would likely use humane methods to depose of the animal, by using electric tasers which are relatively painless, compared to machetes the Chinese use to save on the electricity.

    So yes, go with the DFC

    for what its worth, i wouldn't do business with a non-meat eating businessman/woman unless you looked like miranda kerr, who is a vegetarian.


    I assumed this would be true (higher quality --> better conditions), but wasn't sure. Thanks for clarifying. I'll try to look into it further. Humane isn't exactly what I'm looking for, but it's better than nothing.

    I don't think being vegetarian has hampered my business ventures thus far (although it has only been a few months), and for what it's worth, I wouldn't do business with someone who bases their business decisions on superfluous matters [​IMG].
     
  2. geoffmartin17

    geoffmartin17 Well-Known Member

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    All cordovan leather is from naturally dead horse, so if you're into "ethics" or whatever your girlfriend is (i assume that's why you're vegan, hot girlfriend?) then that's the best ( and most stylish?) option.
     
  3. brandonbrandon

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    All cordovan leather is from naturally dead horse, so if you're into "ethics" or whatever your girlfriend is (i assume that's why you're vegan, hot girlfriend?) then that's the best ( and most stylish?) option.

    Thank you so much for your sexist and misogynistic comment. Definitely what the thread and OP needed.
     
  4. entrero

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    Thanks for all the replies. I guess that's what I was expecting. I know there's no real alternative for leather, especially a high-quality leather -- but I'm more so looking for something that is a decent alternative. I.e. When I order a veggie burger(yes, [​IMG] [​IMG] ), I'm not expecting something comparable to a hamburger, just something that tastes good. As for noharm, not really what I was looking for but thanks for the suggestion. I'm not sure if the Common Projects have a leather sole or not, but that's the type of shoe I'd look towards getting at this point. As for animal glue; It's not too hard to find suitable alternatives and from the experiences with shoemakers/tailors I have dealt with in the past.. I don't think they would have an issue with finding one or using one that I provide - thanks for bringing it up, though. Leather products from natural death/salvaged leather would be a great second option -- I've looked for these types of products but had no luck. Do you know any companies that provide these products?
    Synthetics are made from unsustainable resources. I hate vegans as much as scientologists, your logic is as real as fiction and fail to see the bigger picture.
     
  5. chasingred

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    I've been vegan for about 15 years. I'm now I'm my 30s. So I sympathize with your dilemma.

    There are companies that sell synthetic leather shoes, but they're all terrible. I've gone through the rounds now on at least 10 pairs, and they've all aged poorly and didn't last very long.

    What you can get away with depends on the industry you're in and how sensitive you are to how poorly you look. If you're some small indie music community, you can probably get away with it. Otherwise, wearing synthetic leather shoes and cotton ties looks really unprofessional. I would recommend against it unless you were in a very special industry.

    For what it's worth, I caved about a year ago when I realized that I just couldn't continue wearing such things anymore, especially given my age. I've bought a few pairs of leather shoes, a few wool coats, and a few silk ties. The idea that one has to be 100% militantly vegan or nothing at all is kind of a stupid idea anyway. Do what you can, where you can, but understand that such things are harder and harder when you arrive at different places in life.

    And honestly, the processing and production that goes into making ten synthetic leather shoes over one leather one (which is a real ratio in terms of a shoe's lifetime) is much worse for the environment and, consequently, animals.
     
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    Hi quality leathers i.e. Delicious French Calfskin (DFC), would likely use humane methods to depose of the animal, by using electric tasers which are relatively painless, compared to machetes the Chinese use to save on the electricity.

    So yes, go with the DFC

    for what its worth, i wouldn't do business with a non-meat eating businessman/woman unless you looked like miranda kerr, who is a vegetarian.


    Not necessarily true, but I'm not a leather maker. Someone in the trade should comment.

    I do know that finer wools are made by putting stress on the animal.

    http://www.american.com/archive/2007...er-super-wool/

    The idea that better treated animals result in better products is kind of overly simple.
     
  7. MetroStyles

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    I mean it is pretty obvious that used is the way to go. There are great deals to be had for gently-used shoes on eBay, many of which look brand spanking new after a shine and polish.
     
  8. geoffmartin17

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    Thank you so much for your sexist and misogynistic comment. Definitely what the thread and OP needed.

    You must go to my university! How did you get my IP?

    -Geoff
     
  9. entrero

    entrero Well-Known Member

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    Thank you so much for your sexist and misogynistic comment. Definitely what the thread and OP needed.

    Translation: I'm a girl.

    Boobs or gtfo
     
  10. Nosu3

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    Synthetics are unsustainable resources. I hate vegans as much as scientologists, your logic is as real as fiction and fail to see the bigger picture.
    Why do you generalize vegans? There are many different types.
     
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    The idea that one has to be 100% militantly vegan or nothing at all is kind of a stupid idea anyway. Do what you can, where you can.

    And honestly, the processing and production that goes into making ten synthetic leather shoes over one (which is a real ratio in terms of a shoe's lifetime) is much worse for the environment and, consequently, animals.


    +1

    I've avoided synthetics for that main reason but have been criticized because I'm an activist who happens to use leather. It also matters where you are sourcing. The leather products I use are sourced from the US or Europe while other leather products (usually sold in retail stores) come from places where the cattle is abused and cruelty is well-documented. They are forced to travel long distances while being ill and have pepper rubbed in their eyes to keep moving.
     
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    +1

    I've avoided synthetics for that main reason but have been criticized because I'm an activist who happens to use leather. It also matters where you are sourcing. The leather products I use are sourced from the US or Europe while other leather products (usually sold in retail stores) come from places where the cattle is abused and cruelty is well-documented. They are forced to travel long distances while being ill and have pepper rubbed in their eyes to keep moving.


    Agree with the above. Of course the ideal is to not kill an animal at all, but it goes a long way if you can research the different types of production methods used and how animals are treated. Definitely let me know if you find more info on this.
     
  13. entrero

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    When the animal is abused, badly fed, etc. it will show on their hides, so it will work against the caretaker. The bad treatment also shows that hides are just byproducts.

    Hint: Canadian cows are the best source for hides. In general, the more expensive the item, the better leather that is used and therefore presumed better treatment
     
  14. JLibourel

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    I don't know where this BS that shell cordovan comes from horses that have died natural deaths comes from. Most shells and horsehide come from France where horses are still slaughtered for food.

    I can recall asking Leighann, who worked at the Allen-Edmonds Cabazon outlet and bred horses on the side, whether selling cordovan shoes bothered her. She replied that it did, but she took some solace in the fact that it came from French horses.
     
  15. ineffable

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    I agree with all the comments about synthetics being very bad for the environment, doing what you can where you can, and buying used shoes that will last.

    I feel like an ass for leaving the ecologically responsible bit out of my OP, but I felt it was getting a bit long and decided to leave that out. It is a large concern for me, however I felt that once you have a material you can find a source for it that is ecologically friendly (as much so as plastics or synthetic materials can be - and probably as much so as the typical leather products given the chemicals used for their treatment/tanning and lack of biodegradability).

    I guess I will just continue on with looking for the right waxed canvas shoe.

    Does any one have ideas on shoemakers that (would) work with waxed canvas?
     
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    I don't know where this BS that shell cordovan comes from horses that have died natural deaths comes from. Most shells and horsehide come from France where horses are still slaughtered for food.
    The best way is to ask The Source. I'll get back when I have the answer [​IMG]
     
  17. entrero

    entrero Well-Known Member

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    nvm, found it.

    Against my better judgment, I'll join in...

    Our horsehide, just like our bison and cowhide, comes from the meat packing industry. Specifically, from Canada (Quebec) and France where horse is raised as cow is for food. Horse slaughter is banned in the US, and (to my knowledge) there is no market for horse meat in the US. I would just say to read some of those articles with a grain of salt. People with an end in mind will often represent information in ways which suit their own purposes - not to say that there isn't some well written and researched documentation out there. Meatpacking a gritty industry for sure, and tanneries are connected only inasmuch as we use one of the chief byproducts.

    Also, horsehide is the only hide that has shell. I suppose other skins may have a shell-like fiber structure, but not one that has the attributes of horsehide. If cows had shells we'd all be wearing cordovan!
     
  18. pebblegrain

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    get cloth shoes, no big deal.

    also, be prepared to not get job offers
     
  19. Nosu3

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    nvm, found it.

    Interesting, I didn't know about that and cordovan.

    There's a black market and horse slaughter goes on in the US at illegal slaughter farms. There was a TV episode about a woman who infiltrates them and tries to have them shut down, they are armed and she risks being injured.
     
  20. bleachboy

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    What kind of pleather does Stella McCartney use? Get shoes made out of that.
     

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