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The poker tips and bragging thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by idfnl, May 25, 2010.

  1. idfnl

    idfnl Well-Known Member

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    lol. You protect your cards so the dealer doesn't muck them. Dealers make mistakes and may muck your hand when you are involved in the action. When the floor inevitably gets called over to solve a dispute wherein the dealer mucks the hand of a player who is involved in the action, they will always attribute the blame to the player as they failed to protect their cards. Furthermore, no one can confirm the cards you were holding so "fishing in the muck" as they call it offers an unfair advantage to the person who wasn't savy enough to protect their cards.

    The good players you have seen doing this have likely experienced a situation where this has happened. Personally, I have seen people lose thousands of dollars because they didn't protect their cards. You don't have to use a chip to protect your cards if you think it is bullshit. Keep your hand on your cards instead.

    As an aside, the tendency of some players to protect their hand only when they have a good hand is worth noting. I've seen many people who only put a chip on their hand when they have a big pocket pair, AK, etc. as they feel like they have something to protect. So make sure to be consistent if you adopt the practice, and be sure to exploit those that aren't!


    I dont see how that can protect you. "Hey bro, look I used the magic chip".

    This is just another way to get caught out. Rather than watching the other players react, you are busy with this silly routine.

    Stand still. Wait for the cards. Look when its your turn to bet. Put the cards down. REMEMBER THEM... dont look at your cards again. Play. Repeat.
     
  2. RedScarf7

    RedScarf7 Well-Known Member

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    I dont see how that can protect you. "Hey bro, look I used the magic chip". This is just another way to get caught out. Rather than watching the other players react, you are busy with this silly routine. Stand still. Wait for the cards. Look when its your turn to bet. Put the cards down. REMEMBER THEM... dont look at your cards again. Play. Repeat.
    lol. If the dealer sees the chip they know not to muck the hand. Pretty obvious you haven't played much poker, and I'm sure with experience you may realize that it is a practice worth adopting. I guess I never approached poker recreationally, and if you are playing a few donkaments and low-level cash games maybe don't worry about it. I don't know why you call it a routine as it takes only a second to put a chip on your cards. Furthermore, physical tells are only one of the few ways to gather information about your opponent (and perhaps the least significant), and if you are solely relying on this you are missing a lot of what is going on anyway so take the extra second and put a chip on your cards.
     
  3. idfnl

    idfnl Well-Known Member

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    lol. If the dealer sees the chip they know not to muck the hand. Pretty obvious you haven't played much poker, and I'm sure with experience you may realize that it is a practice worth adopting. I guess I never approached poker recreationally, and if you are playing a few donkaments and low-level cash games maybe don't worry about it. I don't know why you call it a routine as it takes only a second to put a chip on your cards. Furthermore, physical tells are only one of the few ways to gather information about your opponent (and perhaps the least significant), and if you are solely relying on this you are missing a lot of what is going on anyway so take the extra second and put a chip on your cards.

    Someone be talking down to me.
     
  4. RedScarf7

    RedScarf7 Well-Known Member

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    Someone be talking down to me.

    Meh. Not my intent, but I see how it could come across that way.
     
  5. sho'nuff

    sho'nuff Well-Known Member

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    let me tell you one small story of a hand i had that i didnt protect and the dealer swiped away from me:

    hollywood park casino, i had at a 2-4 7stud table five people in a nice sized pot where i had a three of a kind and 4 diamonds on the 6th street. there was one person who had a straight already (possible straight on table and how he was betting, and a few more calling with their higher straights or possible straights or something else i dont remember)

    i had a great chance of winning. turn comes to me and the dealer quickly mucks my hand i had laid on the table i was like "hey!" they stopped the game and called the floorman and they counted out the chips i had invested in the hand and gave it back to me.

    who knows? i could have won. or i could have just been stuck with the trips and lost. either way, i should have placed something on top of my cards. or at least protected them more, but the dealer wasnt really paying attention (was like 3am) and accidentally acted rash
     
  6. Stazy

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    I went to vegas and didn't lose any money. [​IMG]
     
  7. GanglandDandy

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    LOL donkaments - Barry Greenstein
     
  8. idfnl

    idfnl Well-Known Member

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    LOL donkaments - Barry Greenstein

    Ya, I saw that.

    Question about some of the hands I see played on High Stakes Poker:

    I see them playing some really strange pocket cards, and I dont see the logic behind it.

    Often a player will play a 10 2, 4 6, 5 9, and 8 3, wtf?

    I know that many of these are potential straits, and often times they are suited, but this is big money, why are they playing these cards?

    The only logic I can gather is that they are trying to steal a pot when a flop comes low cards and they pair up, for example 10 2, and the flop is 4 2 7, the players playing A J will hit nothing, and the player on the lower cards has a way to win the pot. Is this why?

    I'd like to understand some of the logic here, if anyone understands why they play this way.
     
  9. zalb916

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    I'd like to understand some of the logic here, if anyone understands why they play this way.

    It's pretty hard for another player to put you on 59 unsuited. If you catch a flop, you will get paid off. Big hands, like AK, tend to either win you very little or lose you a lot. It's the less obvious hands that make you money. Now, the less obvious hands tend to be more like 89 suited, but the 59 offsuit is a similar concept. Players like to play hands like 59, so they remain unpredictable. If you only played solid hands then you become much easier to read.
     
  10. idfnl

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    It's pretty hard for another player to put you on 59 unsuited. If you catch a flop, you will get paid off. Big hands, like AK, tend to either win you very little or lose you a lot. It's the less obvious hands that make you money. Now, the less obvious hands tend to be more like 89 suited, but the 59 offsuit is a similar concept. Players like to play hands like 59, so they remain unpredictable. If you only played solid hands then you become much easier to read.
    Makes sense. I once met a construction worker with a bunch of scars on his arms: when I asked him where the scars came from he told me sometimes you gotta give an arm to get at the stomach while play acting a knife fight. This was before guns were replaced with knives. Tough motherfucker that guy. Had about a dozen scars on his arms.
     
  11. sho'nuff

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    Makes sense. I once met a construction worker with a bunch of scars on his arms: when I asked him where the scars came from he told me sometimes you gotta give an arm to get at the stomach while play acting a knife fight. This was before guns were replaced with knives.

    Tough motherfucker that guy. Had about a dozen scars on his arms.


    im going to use this saying next time i compete in something
     
  12. LawrenceMD

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    im going to use this saying next time i compete in something

    i'm going to use the actual advice if i'm ever it a real knife fight (or scalpel fight [​IMG] ).
     
  13. idfnl

    idfnl Well-Known Member

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    Hey it was mentioned to have a tournament here... full tilt has private tournaments that are password protected.

    Anyone interested in setting one up?
     
  14. GanglandDandy

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    SpooPoker Internet Bigtimer and Most Popular Man on Campus

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    Just won my home game tournament! Yeah! B&S money for a whole week! [​IMG]
     
  16. Nouveau Pauvre

    Nouveau Pauvre Well-Known Member

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    Could someone please PM me with advice on loading a ps account?
     
  17. zalb916

    zalb916 Well-Known Member

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    Could someone please PM me with advice on loading a ps account?

    Not a PM, obviously, but this is information that should benefit everyone. It's not very complicated. I use the "instant e-checks" option. The Visa and MasterCard options have never worked for me, and I've never tried the other options. Just follow the instructions and fill in your bank account and other personal information. If you have an issue giving them personal information, then you may be screwed. It withdraws straight from your bank account.
     
  18. Pennglock

    Pennglock Well-Known Member

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    Echecks is definitely the slickest way to load and cash out if your bank lets the transaction go through. Etrade and PNC are two banks Ive never had a problem with.
     
  19. alan

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    AA = going to win a small pot or lose a big one
    I disagree. Its true however when youre starting out and playing ABC. The thing is youre probably reraising AA preflop, thus everyone is putting you on a big pair hand, and youre only getting called postflop by hands that have you beat. That and it IS difficult to fold. However, you should balance your ranges. For example, you should open up your re-raising range. Start re-raising other hands some of the time, even weak ones. When your range is wider, you will get paid off when you actually have the goods + you will bluff a lot of pots as well. If youre known to reraise with marginal hands some of the time youll get played back at preflop with weaker hands as well.
     
  20. alan

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    Ya, I saw that.

    Question about some of the hands I see played on High Stakes Poker:

    I see them playing some really strange pocket cards, and I dont see the logic behind it.

    Often a player will play a 10 2, 4 6, 5 9, and 8 3, wtf?

    I know that many of these are potential straits, and often times they are suited, but this is big money, why are they playing these cards?

    The only logic I can gather is that they are trying to steal a pot when a flop comes low cards and they pair up, for example 10 2, and the flop is 4 2 7, the players playing A J will hit nothing, and the player on the lower cards has a way to win the pot. Is this why?

    I'd like to understand some of the logic here, if anyone understands why they play this way.



    TBH idnt take HSP play as a real source of actual poker advice.

    1- theres the TV factor, a lot of those players get on TV to get their name out there and profit from poker website endorsement deals. Not many want to be seen as nits and everyone wants to be part of the night's cool hand.

    2- Theyre all very good players and theyre very good postflop, what they have matters less.

    3- Theyre playing very deep most of the time. If you start calling raises with 93s with 100 Big blinds stacks youre getting broke very quickly.

    Yeah in actual games they will call and play those hands but i doubt any of them do it as frequently or in that manner as they do on the show, specially in a full table situation.
     

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