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Sprezzatura: The Essentials and anything else you want to know/comment

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Soph, Oct 3, 2006.

  1. LabelKing

    LabelKing Well-Known Member

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    Probably not the first person I'd look to for advice on women.
    Trust an aesthete for a discriminating eye.
     
  2. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Well-Known Member

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    Trust an aesthete for a discriminating eye.
    If you like your women to be abstractions, sure.
     
  3. LabelKing

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    If you like your women to be abstractions, sure.
    It's a nice look.
     
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    redcaimen Well-Known Member

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    If you like your women to be abstractions, sure.

    +1. I think that gets to the heart of it.
     
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    I think that the borderline between sprezzatura and ritardato can be quite subtle. As someone mentioned in another thread, item 9 listed by Soph ("Thin part of tie below top") may be more on the ritardato side.
    I sometimes like to leave the thin part loose (that is, not held within the loop of the back side of the wide part); I hope this to lend a touch of sprezzatura to my look, allthough I fear that some people think that it is rather ritardato. Other people probably think that I do it just to show that my ties are Ferragamo ties. (I guess this is why some brands, like Ferragamo, Hermes and Loewe, also put the logo on the front of the thin part of the tie, instead of only on the back of the wide part).
     
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    Nantucket Red Well-Known Member

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    Sprezzatura is not giving a damn what sprezzatura is.
     
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    Sprezzatura is not giving a damn what sprezzatura is.
    I would suggest adding "...allthough secretly making sure not to look ritardato"
     
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    Can someone please post a link to the "How to be Italian" text.
     
  9. Freerider

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    The essence of sprezzatura, the old money look, modest nonchalance etc. is a dicussion about rule-based behavior and behavior based on long experience. Evidently, sprezzatura etc. is based on long experience with certain aesthetic codes. This experience cracks necessity and provides a basis for a feel for the dressing game, for improvisation - for sprezzatura.
     
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    I'd like to see if someone can follow the GQ list and not look like a clown.

    This is akin to "The Reader's Digest definitive list to being witty."
     
  11. Will

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    Some internal inconsistencies.

    1. Taking tie off and putting in breast pocket- crushing your pocket square.
    7. Gloves in breast pocket (not in bb) of top coat - crushing the pocket square again.
    10. The nonchalant pocket square 'plop' - before or after the tie and gloves go in the pocket?
     
  12. itsstillmatt

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    Some internal inconsistencies.

    1. Taking tie off and putting in breast pocket- crushing your pocket square.
    7. Gloves in breast pocket (not in bb) of top coat - crushing the pocket square again.
    10. The nonchalant pocket square 'plop' - before or after the tie and gloves go in the pocket?

    That is what those breast-ticket-pockets are for.
     
  13. RJman

    RJman Well-Known Member

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    That is what those breast-ticket-pockets are for.
    Or this was written for some well-dressed marsupial superrace.
     
  14. A Y

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    Or this was written for some well-dressed marsupial superrace.

    And I for one welcome our new marsupial overlords.

    --Andre
     
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    Some internal inconsistencies.

    1. Taking tie off and putting in breast pocket- crushing your pocket square.
    7. Gloves in breast pocket (not in bb) of top coat - crushing the pocket square again.
    10. The nonchalant pocket square 'plop' - before or after the tie and gloves go in the pocket?

    For number seven, most men don't wear a pocket square in their top coats. You have a point with the other two though.
     
  16. Will

    Will Well-Known Member

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    For number seven, most men don't wear a pocket square in their top coats.

    Most men don't wear a pocket square in their jackets either, but the purpose of the breast pocket is for a handkerchief in each case.
     
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    Most men don't wear a pocket square in their jackets either, but the purpose of the breast pocket is for a handkerchief in each case.
    I don't know it seems kind of overdoing it in the overcoat.
     
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    I don't know it seems kind of overdoing it in the overcoat.
    I agree. I'll use the pocket for sunglasses, gloves, cigars, train tickets, cash, etc.........but not a pocket square.
     
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    An handkerchief in an overcoat pocket is something you don't see a lot these days but it was done.
     
  20. Ivan Kipling

    Ivan Kipling Well-Known Member

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    Label King, you are certainly correct. I've watched many a movie, with many a dapper gentleman, sporting a pocket square, tucked into his overcoat's breast pocket. Clifton Webb comes at once, to mind.
     

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