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RM Williams Boots - Everything You Wanted to Know

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Sator, Sep 18, 2006.

  1. grimslade

    grimslade Well-Known Member

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    THat's true, but it's possible that the padding acts like an insert, reducing the volume inside the shoe and making it feel a little shorter. I don't know.
     
  2. atomicranch

    atomicranch Well-Known Member

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    I have had many pairs of RMW over the last 16 years or so, in various styles, and I have come to the same conclusion. Craftsman do not fit me as well as the Turnout. Some of my friends will wear Craftsman only, while others wear Turnout only; and I have a theory - not based on fact mind you - just anecdotally.

    It is my theory that the Craftsman "feel" shorter than the Turnout because they have a smaller toebox. The height of the toebox is the problem and if you have a larger than average big toe (I do) the Craftsman will appear shorter because your big toe runs out of room.

    Now as to the question of Comfort vs Regular - I have no idea.


    Agreed. I bought a pair of both the Wentworth (Turnout with rubber sole) and Yearling (Craftsman with block heel) from Shoe Mart on Ebay. They were both the same size, but my toes were rubbing the toebox in the Yearling, while the Wentworth fit perfectly.

    BTW, the heel on the Yearling was a little too Cowboy for me. I would have sent them back even if they fit.
     
  3. laphroaig

    laphroaig Well-Known Member

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    Did you ever end up getting the turnout? Mine worked straight away. There is just more room in the toebox area in the turnout vs. the craftsmen and I guess I have narrow soles/middle, but semi-wide (normal) toes. I wonder how the forum special compares in the toebox area to either the turnout or craftsmen. It does look more like the turnout than the craftsmen, assuming you get the larger length and narrower size. Still pics can be deceiving. I hope it is larger in the toearea than the craftsmen though because it looks amazing with the lack of a prominent lip and I would love to order a pair in black.

    troop


    Thanks for your advice and thanks to Sartor for the special and sizing guide. As I mentioned I had some width issues with the craftsman toe box. I ordered the styleforum special in 10e chestnut based on trying the craftsman (9g nice and tight, good fit but outside toes rubbing) and they fit a lot better. Even when narrowed by 2 the round last provides more room for my toes than the wider craftsmen. I'll have to wear them a few times to see how comfortable they are in the toe area. They are hard to put on but take some real effort to take off.

    Sorry about the late reply but the boots just arrived today. It's been 4 weeks so I almost forgot I ordered them. The boots look great and they are fairly sleek but I'm used to a toe box that isn't as high, althought the lack of lip is nice. I'll post some pictures when I get a chance.
     
  4. atroopan

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    Let us know your experiences with the Forum Specials. I am anxious to find out how they will fit in comparison to the turnout (sounds like they will be very similar - considering they are both round-toe as opposed to narrow-toe craftsmen). I am eager to order a pair of forum specials in the black veal colour for sure. RM Williams boots definitely go well with all sorts of attire from jeans to business casual, but I haven't the guts to wear em with a suit just yet. Maybe the forum specials will change my mind, however.

    troop
     
  5. Carts

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    Hi,

    I have owned RM's all my life. I have 5 pairs that I rotate so they last - I have two problems.

    I no longer live in Australia I have been in the UK for several years. I usually order from bootsonline as Barry is very reliable - I will certainly look into Nungar so instore is not easy for me since the London store closed down.

    I have always bought the Tambo orginally developed for men from PNG with wide feet as they come in width X. I buy these as 1. I have a wide foot and 2. I like wearing the holeproof 'Explorer' socks which are thick.

    My issue is I want to branch out from the Tambo into different boot varieties but no other boot style comes in width X.

    Can I get them in X or is this classified as a custom order, or should I consider an H with a thinner sock?

    I hope someone on this forum knows as I will wear RM's till the day I die but some variety would be nice to..

    Thanks in advance
    Paul
     
  6. Gavin

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    Hey everyone, just a few questions before I order my first pair:

    With winter is on its way, I will need a pair that can withstand snow, slush, and salt. I assume that I'll need the rubber sole for that, but will it be waterproof or will I need the storm welt? And can I get that sole screwed or will it need to be welted?

    Given those concerns, what combination would you recommend for a sleek look (in black) that's also winter-appropriate in Toronto?

    Gav
     
  7. skalogre

    skalogre Well-Known Member

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    Hey everyone, just a few questions before I order my first pair: With winter is on its way, I will need a pair that can withstand snow, slush, and salt. I assume that I'll need the rubber sole for that, but will it be waterproof or will I need the storm welt? And can I get that sole screwed or will it need to be welted? Given those concerns, what combination would you recommend for a sleek look (in black) that's also winter-appropriate in Toronto? Gav
    Either welted or screwed - cannot do both as they are different construction methods. Maybe a Blaxland with a storm welt, if that combination is possible. Edit: Maybe the Comfort Craftsman instead as it seems to have replaced the Blaxland...
     
  8. grimslade

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    I believe the rubber sole cannot be screwed.
     
  9. Gavin

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    Either welted or screwed - cannot do both as they are different construction methods.

    Oh, sorry, what I meant was can the rubber sole be screwed or does it have to be welted? Probably a stupid question now that I think about it, though...

    Obviously they can't be screwed and welted [​IMG]

    I need a new pair of boots ASAP, so I'm trying to figure out the best sole/last/leather combination that is both stylish and winter-appropriate.

    Gav
     
  10. arossphoto

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    I need a new pair of boots ASAP, so I'm trying to figure out the best sole/last/leather combination that is both stylish and winter-appropriate. Gav
    If you need something ASAP, that probably means you will have to buy something from the Toronto store. Unfortunately, when I was there they had a pretty limited selection available. Special orders can take a couple of months, so you might not have too many options. Good luck and let us know how you make out. I live in Toronto as well and really wanted a pair of RMWs, but have been very disappointed with the service and selection available here, not to mention the high prices. Cheers, Andrew
     
  11. Gavin

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    Yeah, when I realized how limited the selection was there I realized that I'm going to have to order them online. I need a new pair of boots ASAP, but I don't want to compromise on getting the right pair for me because of the time it will take to make them and ship them to me.

    I'm definitely going the online route - I just want to order them ASAP.

    Gav
     
  12. Chaos_Cow

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    Have they stopped offering narrow widths? I can't find any information about them anywhere. Plus, nungar still hasn't responded to my e-mail. Am I too late for this?
     
  13. kakaroach

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    This might be a lost call but I've been checking eBay and have had no luck so I figured I would try in this thread..

    Is anyone here interested in selling me their R.M. boots?!?! I'm a U.S. 8.5D which seems to be the problem. None out there..!

    Or are there? [​IMG]
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    Anyone? PM?

    I'd really hate to do a "am looking for" thread in the B&S section just for this.
     
  14. bootsnbraces

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    My wife's Yard boots have rubber soles, and they're glued, screwed, and stitched: the toughest combo available (according to the RMW site, anyway). Still no response from RMW to my frequent emails (and now, fax): their customer service sucks. I'm about done with them: I've found a local bootmaker to to make bespoke wholecut Chelsea boots for me.
    I believe the rubber sole cannot be screwed.
     
  15. xchen

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    Still no response from RMW to my frequent emails (and now, fax): their customer service sucks. I'm about done with them...

    What do you expect? They specialize in bootmaking, not customer service. If they specialize in customer service the boots would probably suck.

    /jk
     
  16. bootsnbraces

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    Ha! Yeah, probably quite right. The funny thing is that the CS was really quite extraordinary the first time I dealt with them, and now it's like they don't exist.

    What do you expect? They specialize in bootmaking, not customer service. If they specialize in customer service the boots would probably suck.
     
  17. Phoenix

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    My Forum Special Model boots (in black calf) just arrived today. I used Sator's sizing guide and they are a perfect fit. Hats off to him and everyone else who helped bring RMW wholecut chelsea boots to my very appreciative feet. [​IMG]
     
  18. Gavin

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    Will leather soles be completely useless for Toronto winters (snow, slush, salt, etc...)?

    And are the Turnouts with the leather sole any less sleek than the Craftsman with a composite sole?

    To order the Comfort Craftsman from Nungar will cost ~$315 AUS with shipping, but I'm tempted to order the Turnouts from Shoemart to save me ~$100...but they only seem to have leather soles.

    Gav
     
  19. atomicranch

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    Will leather soles be completely useless for Toronto winters (snow, slush, salt, etc...)?

    And are the Turnouts with the leather sole any less sleek than the Craftsman with a composite sole?

    To order the Comfort Craftsman from Nungar will cost ~$315 AUS with shipping, but I'm tempted to order the Turnouts from Shoemart to save me ~$100...but they only seem to have leather soles.

    Gav


    I think you will want a rubber sole. Shoemart has been posting the Wentworth, which is a rubber-soled version of the Turnout. I picked up a pair.
     
  20. Gavin

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    Does the Turnout have a noticably less sleek profile than the Craftsman?

    Gav
     

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