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I've recently bought my first CJ pair. The Black Alex. But I was under the impression UK and US were .5 to 1 size apart. So when I went in to CJ store in Manhattan and was told I was a 9E in UK sizing, I chalked it up to a CJ-specific thing. Only today did I think to pull out an American shoe in the size I usually order stateside: The AE Woodstock. Granted one's an oxford and the other a loafer but I decided to compare them both heel-to-heel anyhow. Um so the Alex UK 9E was about an inch longer than the AE 11.5!!! That makes the difference, even with allowance for style variation, closer to 3 sizes difference. Every chart I've read online goes no farther than a one-inch difference between US and UK sizing. Has anyone else noticed this? Does CJ in fact have a sizing all their own, independent from universal UK sizing? How many shoe sales have I missed in Europe because I thought I was outside the realm of sizes on sale? Some sweet Carminas come to mind, for example.



@RBNYC - first off please use normal sized font. the large font was terribly irritating.

second, their sizing is very different from the standard UK sizes you find in other brands such as G&G, EG, Churchs, etc.

I would recommend trying on C&J's before purchasing them as their sizes are quite different.

For example, in US sizes I am generally a 12D which translates to me being a UK11.5E in most brands. However, with C&J in the 348 Last I am a 10.5 and in other C&J lasts I am an 11.
 
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Well, tanks Gianni. I'm blnid noow.
 
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Hi
I've recently bought my first CJ pair. The Black Alex. But I was under the impression UK and US were .5 to 1 size apart. So when I went in to CJ store in Manhattan and was told I was a 9E in UK sizing, I chalked it up to a CJ-specific thing. Only today did I think to pull out an American shoe in the size I usually order stateside: The AE Woodstock. Granted one's an oxford and the other a loafer but I decided to compare them both heel-to-heel anyhow. Um so the Alex UK 9E was about an inch longer than the AE 11.5!!! That makes the difference, even with allowance for style variation, closer to 3 sizes difference. Every chart I've read online goes no farther than a one-inch difference between US and UK sizing. Has anyone else noticed this? Does CJ in fact have a sizing all their own, independent from universal UK sizing? How many shoe sales have I missed in Europe because I thought I was outside the realm of sizes on sale? Some sweet Carminas come to mind, for example.


Rules of thumb are not science, but many find they can safely adhere to them.

Amount of variance between one's US TTS:

C&J full size down
JL full size down
EG 1/2 size down
 

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Rules of thumb are not science, but many find they can safely adhere to them.

Amount of variance between one's US TTS:

C&J full size down
JL full size down
EG 1/2 size down

Normally, I'd agree. And this is what I've believed until the heel-to-heel thing. No 9 should be longer than any 11. This is really gonna mess with this feeling I always have of knowing everything! :p
 

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Measure heel to ball-of-foot, not heel to toe.
Toe shape/length does not influence fit much.
 

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Oh wow! Now, see. THAT makes sense to me. Thanks, I'll start doing that from now on.
 

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Example
358 8.5e
modified 8.5 B/D
001 9.5 (E?)

this is by no means an exact science but just to show approx how different lasts fit.
8.5 358 is longer than 9.5 001 is longer than 8.5 modified, for example.
Also, measuring the outside of the shoe won't give a good estimation of the inside measurements per se.
E.G. a stormwelted shoe will have a much less close edge trim making the outside measurements larger.

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Here two 8.5e 341 lasts, one with a stormwelt and one with a normal welt; I guess you can see how the boot has larger outside measurements.

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in the end... its about how the shoe fits. All the 'size conversion wisdom' in the world can't guarantee anything because there are two variables; the last and the foot.
 
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@RBNYC
- first off please use normal sized font. the large font was terribly irritating.

second, their sizing is very different from the standard UK sizes you find in other brands such as G&G, EG, Churchs, etc.

I would recommend trying on C&J's before purchasing them as their sizes are quite different.

For example, in US sizes I am generally a 12D which translates to me being a UK11.5E in most brands. However, with C&J in the 348 Last I am a 10.5 and in other C&J lasts I am an 11.


Same here, I'm a US9.5D Alden, 9 in EG & Carmina and 8 in C&J 348 last.
 

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Tried on the 341 last today and it is similar to the 348. It's a great last for a low instep (think Simpson last from Carmina)..

I also tried the 240 (BB last), and there was a lot of room in the vamp. Definitely ideal for high insteps (think Rain last).
 

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