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Pio, the valvetronix or whatever is only a pre-amp tube circuit. In other words, practically meaningless for natural output tube saturation.
 

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Pio, the valvetronix or whatever is only a pre-amp tube circuit. In other words, practically meaningless for natural output tube saturation.

true...its pointless but allows them to use the term "Tube"
 

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The LP juniors are amazing...probably the LP that i would choose as well.:nodding:

yeah, I love the old juniors. Looked at one a number of years ago, but passed. I don't know why.

Pio, the valvetronix or whatever is only a pre-amp tube circuit. In other words, practically meaningless for natural output tube saturation.


true...its pointless but allows them to use the term "Tube"

I do find that the tube pre-amp overall sounds a bit better than all electronic pre amps, so I don't necessarily see it as meaningless. Of course it's not overall as great sounding as all tube, but it's a fraction of the price.
 

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The Vox Valvetronix series actually use a 12ax7 in the power amp not the preamp. Which is backwards from most "hybrid" amps.
 

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That's strange. I would think they would just put the 12ax7 in the pre as well. Cheaper than power tubes and pre amp tubes. The new anniversary marshall 1 watters is using pre-amp tubes as power amp tubes as well. It makes sense for lower wattage, but the sound you get out of driving pre amp tubes vs. power amp tubes is completely different.
 

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They are doing one for every generation of amps they built. The sound great based on youtube clips.
 

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speaking of amps...any of you have some experience with Dr. Z? Id love to pick up the 8 watt mini Z for my apartment.
 

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Yeah, but I don't want to shell out $3,000 just yet on it. I have some other priorities first. You know, like clothes and ****.
 

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im really liking that AC Duo Tone. Ive always preferred combos over heads for some reason. Its tough to shell out that much...at that price, id probably go with divided by 13. i was blown away by those.
 

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So non-snarky question here: all you guys steering me away from the VT80+....have you actually heard one live? Played with it? Or just basing your opinions of its sound on prior experience with similar amps?

I'm just wondering if they've made advances that make that $350 price tag worth it. Also, it would seem some folks were working under a misimpression of where the tube is in the circuit.
 

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I have and play a Vox for my apartment. My all tube amps blow it away when cranked, no question, but I can't do that where I live so the Vox just makes sense. Full tube amps will also be more expensive (compare the 80 watt VT to a 15 watt AC), offer fewer "features", and if I'm honest the tone difference won't be very noticeable to a novice.
 
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That's what I'm thinking; the tone difference will be a non-issue to a noob and who knows if I'll stick with it? I have to also imagine the guitar I settle on will also be a limiting factor to the sound. If I decide to pull the trigger a set up under 1k makes sense.
 

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