gabriela
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Thanks I do read the thread but I don't post lol. Will start posting more!I would have put it there Mr.Knightley.
Welcome back Gabriela,you are always welcome.
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Thanks I do read the thread but I don't post lol. Will start posting more!I would have put it there Mr.Knightley.
Welcome back Gabriela,you are always welcome.
Welcome, Cleav.
My old Tootal scarf is another lost treasure for me. I had a 60s (or even late 50s) yellow/ gold paisley one that I persuaded my Grandad to give me in about 1970. I was sure until recently that I still had it somewhere but can I find it ...? maybe it's stuffed away somewhere in the loft. Anyway, I did recently inherit another 60s Tootal scarf with quite an unusual pattern - well at least I'd never seen it before. It's not silk though - 100% rayon. I'll try and put a photo of it on here.
And just to add that those photos are brilliant, Bunty and thanks for the link to the info on your FB page, gabriela.
elwood - I gave you my own personal reply on this one, but I'm not sure how typical it was. In our area, as you are aware, and probably across much of the north of England, that Mod/Skinhead/Suedehead identity was linked to soul music. If you were a youngster the chart Soul and Motown stuff was what you bought and listened to at home and at the youth club the girls would dance to it. Often there would be all sorts of kids at the local youth club but as you got a bit older and wanted to be with the 'in crowd' you naturally went to a soul club. The 'big timers', as we used to call them, would be there (the older lads you aspired to be like), your mates wanted to go there to see and be seen and probably that girl you fancied would be there too. It was the place to be.Some people absolutely loved the music, many others liked it, for some it may have been incidental to the whole experience. Of the people who used to attend the local soul club where I went regularly, how many would be soul fans now? Undoubtedly some will be, but the majority? Probably never set foot in a soul venue since 1972. They might enjoy hearing the odd old tune on Radio 2. but that's as far as it goes. As I posted some months ago, when I first started going to a soul club in late 1970 it was very busy "wall to wall skinhead", by late 1972 it had closed down - the older skinheads had moved on, the younger kids were into Slade and Gary Glitter.
cerneabbas posed the same question about football. How many of our ilk went to football with their mates because it was the thing to do? I became a skinhead because I was a football fan, I'm sure others went to football because they wanted to be skinheads and that's what skinheads did. I certainly had one mate who fell into that category. Of the 4 close mates I regularly went to watch City with 1969 - 1972, how many still go, even occasionally? How many of them even went in their twenties? Well, 2 of them have sadly departed (now there's a thought.....) I know one of the others still goes now and then and and as for the fourth, (the lad I initially became a skinhead with) I haven't seen or heard from him since the day of my wedding in 1979. I'm sure he would always state his allegiance if asked, but whether he ever goes is anybody's guess. I still occasionally recognise some of the faces from that era if I go to City, but we're only really talking about 3 or 4 individuals and certainly no-one I knew personally. I would imagine every club is pretty much the same.
Those of us on this forum obviously have a pretty strong connection with that era but for most people it was just a phase in their life. - they did it, enjoyed it and moved on to something else. Whilst we also did this there are some threads with our past that obviously remain.
cerneabbas - Recent research shows that the average age of people attending Premier League games is now 41. Gone forever at this level are the experiences that we had of going with your local mates, meeting up with others, walking around the ground, standing together. Lads of that age just can't do it now - you have to buy tickets in advance, you can't buy more than a couple of seats together (it's probably too expensive for most) .
Yes, it was shared on The Ballroom Bltz with the other pictures Bunty posted. It was taken at the Tin Hat (Kettering, 1971). The rest are also from 1970-1971, I put up some info
browniecj.I wont go into the whole story of that day,but I did feel sorry for the lad,he just tagged along with his mates and was totally unprepared for a day ( and an evening,as it was an away game) of violent incidents.I saw one of his mates years after and he told me the lad still talked about it.When I moved to Guildford,I did not know a soul.The first Dance I went to(at the Guildford Civic Hall)I got jumped on.I was taken to a nearby Pub,because the Doormen had thrown me out,where I got cleaned up.The Fellas that helped me I got to know very well-in fact they were the boys I started knocking about with.The moral of the story is,they can knock you down but you keep getting up.We learnt to look after ourselves(we were never a big mob).
elwood,That explanation of football violence was by John Clarke,I think that it over simplifies things but maybe it was one of the reasons.I've seen that stat too, roytonboy, and anyone who used to go on the terraces I the late 60s to late 70s and still goes to Premier League games now will recognise it from what they see. And if you look at videos of the period on YouTube, the sound of the singing from the terraces is of much younger voices than today. All those factors you quote mean it's changed, probably permanently.
One reflection on the terrace "activity" that used to occur - I remember reading somewhere, but can't find it now, an explanation for the rise of "hooliganism" in the late 60s being along the following lines. Until the 1960s, the terraces were filled with older adult males who wouldn't tolerate young lads running wild and would effectively keep them in check. However, with increasing prosperity not least reflected in car and TV ownership, from the early 60s onwards these older males abandoned the terraces for trips out in the car, mowing the lawn and watching Grandstand. As a result, the terraces were left to younger males' rivalry.
That's a very rough outline of a sociological explanation ... take it as you will. But it would suggest that what we saw in that period was very much of its time.
Quote: Mr Knightley.You are right it is/was a great thing to see someone who had the look just right,there have been photos on this thread where there have been excellently attired individuals IMO.
To me one of the smartest looks was brogues,prince of wales check trousers a button down and a Crombie,but some lads could look scruffy even wearing all of that .
That's one of the things I like seeing on this thread,people taking some pride in their appearance,thinking about what they wear, even talk about polishing boots,standards that have largely been forgotten in most of life today.
Thanks, Mr. Knightley. I'm very pleased with it. Looking at the design with those stylised horses it might be late 50s/ early 60s.Quote:
What a beauty!
elwood,That explanation of football violence was by John Clarke,I think that it over simplifies things but maybe it was one of the reasons.
I have a book The Roots of football hooliganism an historical and sociological study ,which if you see it cheap on e bay is worth getting IMO,a bit dry but well researched and a fair bit on the skinhead period ( and much earlier).
That's a nice scarf,nice to have something that you wont see anyone else wearing.
Thanks, roytonboy (and browniecj and Gsvs5) for pronunciation hints.