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Cigarettes

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by RamNYC, Jul 10, 2005.

  1. RamNYC

    RamNYC Active Member

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    What do people think of smoking cigarettes...I know there will be those of you that flip out for even proosing such a question, but hell, some of us might have other opinions. I enjoy Parliament Lights, basically now just socially. I don't really smoke during the day, but occasionally I can be caught lighting up. To be honest, I think at times smoking can be quite classy.
     
  2. faustian bargain

    faustian bargain Well-Known Member

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    smoking looks cool, and gives me a dizzying buzz.

    but it's pretty unhealthy, and my wife hates it when i smell like smoke, so i don't do it.

    that said, my favorites are (used to be) nat sherman Mints.
     
  3. ken

    ken Well-Known Member

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    If you don't do it that often, why smoke Parliaments? I go to my local tobaccy shop and pick out the most exotic brand I can find. Or I just smoke Camel Non-Filtereds so I look like a hardass.
     
  4. bachbeet

    bachbeet Well-Known Member

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    Well, smoking kills. And, nicotine is as addictive as heroin. Then there's this famous one-liner: "Kissing a person who smokes is like licking an ash tray."
     
  5. RamNYC

    RamNYC Active Member

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    I never thought about that. I actually enjoy the taste of Parliament.
     
  6. Mike C.

    Mike C. Well-Known Member

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    Smoking is cool. I do it occasionally when I drink. When I'm smoking a cigarette, I feel like I'm on top of the world.
     
  7. faustian bargain

    faustian bargain Well-Known Member

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    not exactly. in fact it's probably easier to get hooked on cigs than on heroin, at least statistically (but that's probably partly due to the fact that cigs are milder with their effects).

    however nicotine is only addictive in some people, some of the time. it depends on individual body reactions. a fifth of all smokers don't smoke every day, and don't suffer withdrawal symptoms when they abstain. i'm not sure how that compares with heroin (i have a feeling it's less discriminating about whom it addicts), but studies have shown that there's a vast difference between those who experiment with heroin and coke and those who go on to be hardcore users. that part is similar with cigarettes.

    but it isn't the healthiest habit to form.
     
  8. bachbeet

    bachbeet Well-Known Member

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    fb: From what I've seen and read about cigs, it appears they are addictive to MOST people. Not just some. Or at least a large number. I don't know how many times I've talked to smokers who say it is extremely hard to kick them. And, there is a whole line of products to help people quit. And, I got my comparison from Koop.

    Please stop. It is NOT classy to have emphysema. Cancer is NOT classy. Nothing about cigs is classy. Absolutely nothing.
     
  9. RamNYC

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    This is exactly what I didn't want this topic to become. People who are going to bash smoking and ramble on about cancer and emphysemia...please stop posting. We know the side effects. That's not what this topic is about. I enjoy an occasional smoke and so do others. Let us have a forum free from the surgeon general.
     
  10. bachbeet

    bachbeet Well-Known Member

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    RamNYC: Too bad. You start a thread extolling the virtues of a deadly substance and don't want people to bash it. Then go to a smoking forum. Keep smoking. Kill yourself. Don't care about how your loved ones feel. And, don't care about the health costs of taking care of your sick dying body. Just keep thinking you're invulnerable.
     
  11. faustian bargain

    faustian bargain Well-Known Member

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    you know what, i don't smoke, so don't tell me to stop. and if you're telling the smokers to stop, it ain't going to help.

    besides, smoking does look cool, no matter how many times you say it doesn't. that's why kids do it. that, and because everyone is telling them not to. people do dangerous things, especially when they're kids, simply because it's dangerous.

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    it's a fact, though, that different people have different reactions to nicotine, and these reactions are in large part contributory to whether they go on to become addicts. in other words, nicotine does not enslave everyone who comes in contact with it. some have no tolerance for it at all and stop after the first cigarette. some have tolerance (and enjoyment), but not for large doses. and some (most, i suppose) have tolerance for large doses and are at risk for becoming addicted.

    addiction is developmental. all smokers start out in control of their habit - the so-called "chippers". in time - it takes years - the future heavy smokers escalate their habit, while some of the chippers remain in control, the equivalent of social drinkers. they truly can stop whenever they want. it could be genetic, who knows.

    (i'm getting my info from 'the tipping point' (yes, by now i am demonstrating undue influence by this book) - gladwell cites the studies involved, but it's too tedious to type all that out here.)
     
  12. RamNYC

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    Exactly Faustian (sp?). You got it right, that's why many of us smoke, think its cool to, etc. Thanks for sticking up for the rights of smokers.
     
  13. LabelKing

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    Smoking undeniably has glamour about it.

    Besides, the accessories one can acquire for smoking are very beautiful, and sometimes fun.

    Carat gold lighters, cigarette cases in enamel, gemstones, etc, cigarette holders, and all that.
     
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    The various diseases associated with smoking are also genetic, I believe.

    There was a woman in Japan who lived to about 100, and she smoked every day.
     
  15. RamNYC

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    I think moderation is key. An occasional cigarette will probably do some harm, but hell, if you like the taste, appeal, etc. I say go for it.
     
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    This forum explicitly is for the discussion of tobacco. You're welcome to voice your opposition to smoking, but please don't try to overrun the topic with anti-smoking arguments. Here's my input:

    -Smoking as a habit is sad.
    -Smoking on occasion can be enjoyable. It does wake me up in the middle of a long night of drinking/partying.
    -Girls look hot when they smoke.
    -Girls should, however, not smoke if I am going to kiss them later.
    -I like Dunhill International Lights and Kamel Red Lights.
    -The smoke from Marlboro Reds smells the best (when smoked by others).
    -Even one cigarette makes me feel like ass the whole next day.
    -Whoever most directly responsible for Marlboro Ultra Light Menthols should be killed.
     
  17. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Well-Known Member

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    Smoking (and electronics) is my vice. I don't really drink. I don't do any other drugs, I smoke a pack a day and I'm not really interested in quitting. Personally, I understand people who don't like it, thats fine, but frankly it irritates me when people get super- righteous about it. Especially in public places. There are non-smoking bars and restaraunts. If you really are that adamant about it, frequent them. Or don't go to bars. I don't bitch people out for drinking, although its hazardous to your health, and for the most part - drunk people really get on my nerves. They are irritating. Are you driving an SUV? Well then F you buddy, I resent the fact that you are drawing a line in the sand with my legal right to put hazardous burning materials in my mouth. I also enjoy smoking paraphanalia, every once in a while I'll pull out my pipe and enjoy some evening stroll. I like dunhill (dunheel? [​IMG] ) lighters, cigarette cases, and etc. I'm pretty brand loyal with my smokes, I smoke Camel Turkish Golds here in the U.S. and Lucky Strikes abroad. (since the Turkish Golds aren't commonly available outside the U.S.)
     
  18. LabelKing

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    Vintage smoking accessories are absolutely the best.

    I own a gold Asprey cigarette case from the 30's, Dunhill Rollagas as well as a 19th century French rose gold with mother of pearl cigarette holder.
     
  19. Horace

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    Smoking _is_ cool. Smoking at night is great. Smoking first thing in the morning with a cup of coffee is great. Smokers are cool. They're interesting. Women who smoke are the best.

    American Spirits or Nat Shermans, (or Camels in a pinch). Zippo & Dunheel lighter. Matches too.

    I've been ordering my smokes from the Indian reservations.

    I usually confine smoking to one room in the house -- but if we have dinner parties, then I'm not a fascist about not allowing smoking around the table.

    Is smoking Trad? Hell, it's better than Trad...
     
  20. RamNYC

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    How about a good cigarette while laying on the beach? I find it relaxing and girls think its hot. And obviously the after sex cigarette is a great touch.
     

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